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Yes, but you forgot one little detail: they still died even though we didn't want them to die.
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Spirit of Nen Lalaith
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So I recently stumbled upon a site which has a lot of alternative names for characters. Some I have unearthed:
Maeglin - Morleg, Glirhuin Eol - Eor, Alvar Aredhel: Rodwen Earendil: Gaerdil, Aradamir, Horvendill, Orentil Saeros: Orgof Tuor: Eladar Gwindor: Galweg Turin: Gormagli
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I just had a thought: Aredhel was the original 'Ar-Something' title user, and the Ar- kings of Numenor were emulating her and things relating to her. Think about it:
1. She couldn't have died of old age, which is why they wanted immortality 2. She had a controlling husband, which is why the women of Numenor took a backseat in the days of Ar-kings (*leers at Phary*) 3. Said husband killed both her and himself, as Phary's actions caused the deaths of himself and his wife. 4. Her son was in love with his first cousin (*leers at Phary some more*) You get the idea...
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I’m so excited this thread exists I was planning a similar one.
I’m going to piggyback and say I thoroughly wish we knew more about the dwarves at Bagend the night Bilbo left.
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We can also conclude that they're old enough to have been alive at the time of the Battle of Five Armies, but they may not have fought in it. If they're under about 100, they would have been children during the Battle; and even if older, they may have been in the Blue Mountains, not the Iron Hills. See next point. Quote:
More tentatively, that means they may have been from Thorin's faction of the Longbeards, not Dain's. The people most likely to make the long and dangerous journey to the Blue Mountains are the ones who used to live there, not the ones from the Iron Hills! That makes them either children during Thorin's quest, or dwarves who didn't go with him to Erebor. Quote:
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This would tie in nicely with the idea of them being Blue Mountain dwarves originally, who had moved to Erebor after the Battle of Five Armies. Much more speculatively: Nar is not mentioned at the Battle of Azanulbizar, nor anyone related to him. Tolkien being Tolkien, if the family of the dwarf who witnessed Thror's death was present during the fight to avenge him, you'd expect a mention somewhere! So I can imagine Thrain taking his father's companion by the shoulder and saying 'You're not coming; you've done enough'. Whether he means 'by serving Thror to the last' or 'because you got him killed' is open to interpretation, but the upshot is that the later Nar, and his kinsmen Anar and Hannar, would have been left out of Thorin's expedition because their family has already Done Enough. (We know dwarves have long memories - they still have a grudge against the elves over Thingol!) ~ And that, I think, is all we know or can plausibly deduce. Tolkien Gateway claims that in the early drafts Nar is given "some dialogue and a bit more development", but I think this is wrong: they've carried it across from Lofar, the fourth dwarf who stayed back with Gandalf and has a line to himself ("Goodbye, Bingo; I am going with Gandalf"). He was dropped completely from the book, while the others just lost their names; but their only dialogue appears only ever to have been "Everything" in response to Bilbo asking if everything was ready. (One cheeky final bit of speculation: the Blue Mountains were originally home to the dwarves of Nogrod and Belegost, who mingled with Durin's folk after Beleriand fell. Those two cities were founded by the Firebeard and Broadbeam houses. At least two dwarves of Nogrod, Telchar and Naugladur, have seemingly Elvish use-names. "Nar" is the Quenya word for "fire", as "Anar" is Quenya for "Sun"... could they be ancient use-name adopted by the Firebeards who came in contact with the Quenya-fluent elves of Eregion, which werelater taken to be Northern names and matched with the similar Hannar? ![]() hS
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Thanks for asking. Just to add, for myself, I'm never sure if I'm going to post anywhere about anything ever again . . . even moments after I post something! Or for example, what if I suddenly decide to take up piano at a late age (awesome Jason Statham reference from the film Spy). If so, I might not have the time, even if I find something I'd like to comment on. Gotta go at the moment anyway. There's an ice cream cone with my name on it! ![]() |
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Well, I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI1mQdLE1bU
Evil? Terrible? I am sorry, but...haha.
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