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William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 10:44 AM

those two clues are a) Biblical and b) musical

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 10:45 AM

New page:

1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 10:51 AM

Challah and rugelach are Jewish pastries mentioned in the bible.

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 10:52 AM

Bilhah was Rachel's handmaid.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Bilhah was Rachel's handmaid.

You're at least heading in the right direction.......

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 10:55 AM

And 440 seems to be A.

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:03 AM

Hagar was Sarai's handmaid.

The biblical term often means concubine.

And 'pilegesh' is the Hebrew word for concubine.

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:03 AM

Balcmeg does contain BAGEL, but I doubt CM satisfies the remaining clues....

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:07 AM

Based on Pervinca's reasoning, Grishnakh?

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:09 AM

Or Shagrat, whose name contains HAGAR.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Based on Pervinca's reasoning, Grishnakh?

DING DING DING!

HAGAR + KNISH - A

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

FWIW, I believe to the best of my knowledge that these 8 individuals are the only characters in Tolkien who fit this pattern

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:16 AM

I still don't see the theme. As far as I know, those four have nothing in common......

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:19 AM

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:19 AM

Maybe the password is Halfhand, or Hurthand. Because.....all of their hands were hurt or lost.....

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?

440 is A in music terms.....

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A?

standard tuning A is 440 Hertz

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Maybe the password is.... Hurthand. Because.....all of their hands were hurt or lost.....

BOOM goes the dynamite!

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. ???U???: Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. ???T???Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:21 AM

Is it that they lose a body part? Did Grishnakh end up losing his head?

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:22 AM

Ah ... ok!

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

BOOM goes the dynamite!

What does that mean....?

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:23 AM

One of them has to be Frodo, then.

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:26 AM

Nein is German for no. Isildur cut off Sauron's hand

2. Sauron?

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:26 AM

Maybe another is Isildur ... he wrote that the Ring was so hot that he doubted he would ever be free of the pain of it.

And I think Gollum said 'O my poor hands!' when remembering his torture.

And Isildur cut off one of Sauron's fingers.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:28 AM

2 NO + RAUS, backwards

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side

It's also the case that all these characters were trying to obtain a Super Important Bit of Bling, but that class includes far more people

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nein is German for no. Isildur cut off Sauron's hand

2. Sauron?

And 'Raus! means 'Get out!'

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:32 AM

8. Isildur? (I as roman numeral for 1, IS for is)

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:35 AM

7 must be either Dernhelm or Merry, who injured their hand fighting the Witch King. I believe that one of the essential crew activities is minding the helm.....

and 'DERN' sounds like 'TURN'.

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:36 AM

'Dur' as a sarcastic thing to say, implying someone is stupid?

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

2 NO + RAUS, backwards

1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow)
2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur)
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies)
4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, *and* burned by a Silmaril)
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril)
7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side

It's also the case that all these characters were trying to obtain a Super Important Bit of Bling, but that class includes far more people

Sauron had the Bling already ... but not for long.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:38 AM

Merry and Eowyn had their arms injured, not their hands.

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:39 AM

I don't know whether Silmarils count as blings.

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:41 AM

What about Isildur?

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:44 AM

The whole theme was inspired by a wisecrack I once read, and used as my sig line here for a while: "Tolkien's writing is concerned primarily with disputes over the ownership of jewelry, and the hand injuries that occur as a result."

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No, not Isildur

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:46 AM

Morgoth's hands were also burned, and he fits w/bluetooth clue as well, but he was rejected as the solution for that clue.

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

I don't know whether Silmarils count as blings.

Hey, that Iron Crown was one heck of a flashy fashion statement!

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:48 AM

But....speaking of hurt hands, my own signature comes to mind...

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Morgoth... fits w/bluetooth clue as well

Quote:

4. Morgoth (gorm+hot)

Um, no. What the heck is a gorm?

Urwen · 05-10-2019, 11:50 AM

How about Frodo as 8?

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-10-2019, 11:51 AM

You're going to have to solve clues, not just toss names out!

Pervinca Took · 05-10-2019, 11:51 AM

Frodo ... frod means wise, but the O on the other side of the red D could mean ... nothing?

05-10-2019, 10:44 AM	#5521
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	those two clues are a) Biblical and b) musical __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-10-2019, 10:45 AM	#5522
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	New page: 1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend 2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards! 3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. 4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him 5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" 6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last 7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him 8. He's a dunce on one side __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-10-2019, 10:51 AM	#5523
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Challah and rugelach are Jewish pastries mentioned in the bible. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 10:52 AM	#5524
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Bilhah was Rachel's handmaid. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 10:55 AM	#5526
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	And 440 seems to be A. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 05-10-2019 at 11:00 AM.

05-10-2019, 11:03 AM	#5527
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Hagar was Sarai's handmaid. The biblical term often means concubine. And 'pilegesh' is the Hebrew word for concubine. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:03 AM	#5528
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Balcmeg does contain BAGEL, but I doubt CM satisfies the remaining clues.... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:07 AM	#5529
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Based on Pervinca's reasoning, Grishnakh? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:09 AM	#5530
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Or Shagrat, whose name contains HAGAR. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:16 AM	#5532
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I still don't see the theme. As far as I know, those four have nothing in common...... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:19 AM	#5533
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I'm intrigued by 440 ... it's 'page not found,' isn't it? How is it also A? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:19 AM	#5534
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Maybe the password is Halfhand, or Hurthand. Because.....all of their hands were hurt or lost..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:21 AM	#5538
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Is it that they lose a body part? Did Grishnakh end up losing his head? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:22 AM	#5539
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Ah ... ok! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:23 AM	#5541
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	One of them has to be Frodo, then. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:26 AM	#5542
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Nein is German for no. Isildur cut off Sauron's hand 2. Sauron? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:26 AM	#5543
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Maybe another is Isildur ... he wrote that the Ring was so hot that he doubted he would ever be free of the pain of it. And I think Gollum said 'O my poor hands!' when remembering his torture. And Isildur cut off one of Sauron's fingers. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 05-10-2019 at 11:31 AM.

05-10-2019, 11:28 AM	#5544
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	2 NO + RAUS, backwards 1. GRISHNAKH: Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend (sword-hand pierced by an arrow) 2. SAURON: Get out? Nein! He's backwards! (dactylectomy by Isildur) 3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there. (wolf with the munchies) 4. ???T???: Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him 5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!" (hand amputated by Fingon, and burned by a Silmaril) 6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last (burned by a Silmaril) 7. ???N???: Key crew! Activity will reveal him 8. ???D???: He's a dunce on one side It's also the case that all these characters were trying to obtain a Super Important Bit of Bling, but that class includes far more people __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. Last edited by William Cloud Hicklin; 05-10-2019 at 11:36 AM.

05-10-2019, 11:32 AM	#5546
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	8. Isildur? (I as roman numeral for 1, IS for is) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:35 AM	#5547
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	7 must be either Dernhelm or Merry, who injured their hand fighting the Witch King. I believe that one of the essential crew activities is minding the helm..... and 'DERN' sounds like 'TURN'. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:36 AM	#5548
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	'Dur' as a sarcastic thing to say, implying someone is stupid? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-10-2019, 11:38 AM	#5550
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Merry and Eowyn had their arms injured, not their hands. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-10-2019, 11:39 AM	#5551
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I don't know whether Silmarils count as blings. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:41 AM	#5552
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	What about Isildur? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:44 AM	#5553
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	The whole theme was inspired by a wisecrack I once read, and used as my sig line here for a while: "Tolkien's writing is concerned primarily with disputes over the ownership of jewelry, and the hand injuries that occur as a result." ----------------- No, not Isildur __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-10-2019, 11:46 AM	#5554
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Morgoth's hands were also burned, and he fits w/bluetooth clue as well, but he was rejected as the solution for that clue. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:48 AM	#5556
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	But....speaking of hurt hands, my own signature comes to mind... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:50 AM	#5558
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	How about Frodo as 8? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-10-2019, 11:51 AM	#5559
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	You're going to have to solve clues, not just toss names out! __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-10-2019, 11:51 AM	#5560
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Frodo ... frod means wise, but the O on the other side of the red D could mean ... nothing? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

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