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Pervinca Took · 11-21-2018, 08:08 AM

PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast!
2. Running flush – that’s him!
BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though.
4. No party for him?
BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald!

THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS:

Smaug was Pryftan
Frodo was Bingo
Gandalf was Bladorthin

HS, how can it be just The Hobbit when the first clue guessed was a prototype for a LOTR character?

Good work on Bladorthin and Pryftan, though! (And Nerwen on Boing).

Galadriel55 · 11-21-2018, 08:20 AM

No way 2 can be TROTTER, eh?

Huinesoron · 11-21-2018, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

HS, how can it be just The Hobbit when the first clue guessed was a prototype for a LOTR character?

Well, you see, it's a little known fact that originally, right, originally Bingo was another, uh, name for, um... the Misty Mountains?

Nah, I got nothin'. [Face of shame]

hS

Pervinca Took · 11-21-2018, 08:41 AM

PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast!
TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him!
BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though.
4. No party for him?
BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald!

THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS:

Smaug was Pryftan
Strider was Trotter
Frodo was Bingo
Gandalf was Bladorthin

The Bingo Mountains? Not bad. Nice holiday resort for Ioreth and her sisters, perhaps?

Galadriel, it can indeed! A flush, in cards, is a group of cards of the same suit. A run is a group of cards of consecutive number. A trotter is a running flush, which has both criteria, is much rarer, and scores more highly than either of the first two. I learned this from my dad years ago. I think we were playing 'Brag,' but it probably applies to poker too. There's a sitcom character called Derek Trotter who's a wheeler-dealer in south London. I'm pretty sure the connotation of a term in cards (and hence possibly gambling) was fully intended. I think there's even a clip of him rearranging a hand of cards in the opening credits.

Nerwen · 11-22-2018, 12:42 AM

It looks strangely as if the password is simply FRODO, which doesn't fit the theme. Unless some character was formerly known as FROTO or FROGO or...?

Pervinca Took · 11-22-2018, 01:15 AM

PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast!
TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him!
BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though.
???D???: No party for him?
BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald!

THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS:

Smaug was Pryftan
Strider was Trotter
Frodo was Bingo
??? was ???
Gandalf was Bladorthin

Password: FRODO (Pippin was Frodo).

One to go!

Hs, you probably remember Pryftan and the others from the Biography. That's where I learned about them. Years ago, but they stuck in my memory.

Originally the F clue was Gandalf (the original name of Thorin), but I then came up with boing and pantry, and liked those clues better.

Huinesoron · 11-22-2018, 03:30 AM

Hmm... did you maybe move GANDALF (Thorin) to #4, then?

hS

Pervinca Took · 11-22-2018, 10:04 AM

No.

Pervinca Took · 11-22-2018, 12:52 PM

By the way, the number of question marks does not necessarily indicate the number of letters either side of the D.

Huinesoron · 11-23-2018, 03:28 AM

Okay... how about FINROD (ie, Finarfin)? In D&D terms he left the party when he turned round at Araman; I'm sure I remember some mention of Alqualonde arming itself against him on his return, which would also be 'no party'.

hS

Pervinca Took · 11-23-2018, 07:15 AM

PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast!
TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him!
BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though.
ODO: No party for him?
BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald!

THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS:

Smaug was Pryftan
Strider was Trotter
Frodo was Bingo
Merry was Odo
Gandalf was Bladorthin

Password: FRODO (Pippin was Frodo).

(Although he wouldn't fit into the puzzle, Thorin was also originally called Gandalf).

Correct answer, Formendacil, but I think Odo was the prototype of Merry, not Fatty Bolger.

In the biography, it refers to ''Bingo and his cousins Odo and Frodo' in very early drafts of LOTR, (but not the very first drafts, in which Bilbo was still the hero). As we (and the characters) tend to refer to 'Merry and Pippin' rather than 'Pippin and Merry,' I have always kind of assumed that Odo = Merry and Frodo = Pippin, even though their characters probably weren't that developed at that stage. I do have the HOME books containing the early drafts, but haven't read them cover to cover.

It's O (no/nothing) plus DO (party).

Well done, everyone!

And over to Nerwen!

Nerwen · 11-29-2018, 06:28 PM

Apologies for the delay- have had a very busy week.
I'll come up with something as soon as I can.

Pervinca Took · 12-11-2018, 01:13 PM

Nerwen, I have another one that's good to go if you don't have time to prepare one just now.

Pervinca Took · 12-25-2018, 07:29 AM

As Nerwen still hasn't replied, I am posting this. I think you will see why I didn't want to wait.

1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
3. Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
4. One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
5. Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.

11-21-2018, 08:08 AM	#1
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast! 2. Running flush – that’s him! BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though. 4. No party for him? BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald! THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS: Smaug was Pryftan Frodo was Bingo Gandalf was Bladorthin HS, how can it be just The Hobbit when the first clue guessed was a prototype for a LOTR character? Good work on Bladorthin and Pryftan, though! (And Nerwen on Boing). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 11-21-2018 at 08:12 AM.

11-21-2018, 08:20 AM	#2
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	No way 2 can be TROTTER, eh? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-22-2018, 12:42 AM	#5
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	It looks strangely as if the password is simply FRODO, which doesn't fit the theme. Unless some character was formerly known as FROTO or FROGO or...? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

11-22-2018, 01:15 AM	#6
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast! TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him! BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though. ???D???: No party for him? BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald! THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS: Smaug was Pryftan Strider was Trotter Frodo was Bingo ??? was ??? Gandalf was Bladorthin Password: FRODO (Pippin was Frodo). One to go! Hs, you probably remember Pryftan and the others from the Biography. That's where I learned about them. Years ago, but they stuck in my memory. Originally the F clue was Gandalf (the original name of Thorin), but I then came up with boing and pantry, and liked those clues better. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 11-22-2018 at 03:03 AM.

11-22-2018, 10:04 AM	#8
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

11-21-2018, 08:41 AM	#4
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast! TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him! BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though. 4. No party for him? BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald! THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS: Smaug was Pryftan Strider was Trotter Frodo was Bingo Gandalf was Bladorthin The Bingo Mountains? Not bad. Nice holiday resort for Ioreth and her sisters, perhaps? Galadriel, it can indeed! A flush, in cards, is a group of cards of the same suit. A run is a group of cards of consecutive number. A trotter is a running flush, which has both criteria, is much rarer, and scores more highly than either of the first two. I learned this from my dad years ago. I think we were playing 'Brag,' but it probably applies to poker too. There's a sitcom character called Derek Trotter who's a wheeler-dealer in south London. I'm pretty sure the connotation of a term in cards (and hence possibly gambling) was fully intended. I think there's even a clip of him rearranging a hand of cards in the opening credits. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 11-21-2018 at 08:46 AM.

11-22-2018, 03:30 AM	#7
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Hmm... did you maybe move GANDALF (Thorin) to #4, then? hS

11-22-2018, 12:52 PM	#9
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	By the way, the number of question marks does not necessarily indicate the number of letters either side of the D. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

11-23-2018, 03:28 AM	#10
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Okay... how about FINROD (ie, Finarfin)? In D&D terms he left the party when he turned round at Araman; I'm sure I remember some mention of Alqualonde arming itself against him on his return, which would also be 'no party'. hS

11-23-2018, 07:15 AM	#11
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast! TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him! BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though. ODO: No party for him? BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald! THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS: Smaug was Pryftan Strider was Trotter Frodo was Bingo Merry was Odo Gandalf was Bladorthin Password: FRODO (Pippin was Frodo). (Although he wouldn't fit into the puzzle, Thorin was also originally called Gandalf). Correct answer, Formendacil, but I think Odo was the prototype of Merry, not Fatty Bolger. In the biography, it refers to ''Bingo and his cousins Odo and Frodo' in very early drafts of LOTR, (but not the very first drafts, in which Bilbo was still the hero). As we (and the characters) tend to refer to 'Merry and Pippin' rather than 'Pippin and Merry,' I have always kind of assumed that Odo = Merry and Frodo = Pippin, even though their characters probably weren't that developed at that stage. I do have the HOME books containing the early drafts, but haven't read them cover to cover. It's O (no/nothing) plus DO (party). Well done, everyone! And over to Nerwen! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 11-23-2018 at 09:03 AM.

11-29-2018, 06:28 PM	#12
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Apologies for the delay- have had a very busy week. I'll come up with something as soon as I can. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

12-11-2018, 01:13 PM	#13
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Nerwen, I have another one that's good to go if you don't have time to prepare one just now. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

12-25-2018, 07:29 AM	#14
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Merry Christmas, Everyone! As Nerwen still hasn't replied, I am posting this. I think you will see why I didn't want to wait. 1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months). 2. Second of three, but the first to die. 3. Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship. 4. One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle? 5. Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass. 6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate. 7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings! 8. Famed for two things, primarily. 9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins. 10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object? 11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

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