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07-09-2018, 09:05 PM
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Quentingolmo
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1) I have posted a draft of my restructured chapter including Of the Finding of the Ring in The Stewards thread. In that thread we can begin to discuss the inclusion of The Quest for Erebor into that chapter. I would need to see your proposed draft, or if it is in any way similar to the idea I have in my restructured version.
2) Having checked the book, his summary of LotR is very much point for point the same as the synopsis, but written in a much choppier form. Therefore, the only place it would be relevant would be for the events of Return of the King, and indeed I think I will incorporate parts of it into my draft for the final chapter, but the overall meat of it is inferior in quality to the form of the Synopsis, since it is written in Tolkien's commentative style, as well as in brief bullet-point form. Update: I have updated the final draft of the last chapter, and I made copious use of the text of the letter. It is actually perfect for summarizing the events of Return of the King, and I used great portions of the end of it (heavily edited). Thank you Fin for pointing me in the direction of the full text, as I did not know it continued past the point given in the Letters of JRRT. 3) I have the text of the Synopsis typed out and added into my draft, so once we have confirmation that they were written by Tolkien (as indeed seems likely) then we may use it. Having made the draft using it, I no longer think the lack of a summmary of volume 3 is a big problem. The summary of the War of the Ring in the drafts for the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen covers all the basic points of the story quite well, and we can supplement it with extracts from the Letter to Milton Waldman. About The Great Years I do not think we will need them if we use the Synopsis and the Letter. I used parts of the Fourth Age events for the draft of the next chapter, but aside from that I do not think we will need them. As for The Hunt for the Ring, once we make a decision about including the Synopsis there is no question that I would want to include it inmy draft as its own chapter, because the Synopsis will solve the imbalance in level of story detail. Therefore, once we decide definitively that we will use the Synopsis, I will post the draft of the next chapter, which would now be The Hunt for the Ring. I will, however, wait until we have reviewed the chapter as it exists then before adding in The Battles of the Fords of Isen. For now, that can remain in our outline as an Appendix, along with The Quest for Erebor. Once we review the last chapters as they are currently envisioned, we can discuss whether or not to add them in, as I know Fin already has a draft for the latter prepared. Update: Upon completion of the last draft of the final chapter including the summary of Return of the King from the Waldman letter, I think it will be very easily possible to add in the Battles of the Fords of Isen, although we can discuss the best way to do so in due time. Apologies for the many, many posts. I know it's hard to keep track, but all of these additions are so exciting to me and I get carried away, and new ideas of how to handle them keep occurring to me! Therefore, the summary of all of this is this: 1) I will wait for Fin to comment on my restructure of The Stewards, now split into two chapters: Of the Finding of the Ring and The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen. 2) After we resolve that, he will post his ideas about possibly including The Quest for Erebor into the narrative. 3) We will decide whether or not to use the Synopsis for LotR (as I think we will). 4) I will post my draft for the last two chapters: The Hunt for the Ring and The War of the Ring. 5) We will review my drafts, and then discuss adding in The Battles of the Fords of Isen. That seems to me to be the timeline of what we need to do next. I figured I lay it out here for ease of reading. We are so close to the end! After these next chapters, it is only The New Shadow and then we finish the entire narrative of the Legendarium!! Last edited by ArcusCalion; 07-09-2018 at 10:38 PM. |
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07-11-2018, 09:45 PM
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Quentingolmo
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Now that we have finished step 1) and 2) of our to-do list, we come to step 3). I am pretty much resolved to use the Synopsis of LotR at this point, as I think it is a fairly safe assumption that Tolkien wrote it himself. It is nearly identical in form and style (and sometimes even in words) to the letter to Milton Waldman which Tolkien wrote. Therefore, for that reason, and the reason that it was present in all multi-volume editions, even the first one, as well as the editor's explicit desire that each book should be able to be read alone, I think we can assume that Tolkien did in fact write the Synopsis at the front of Return of the King. If we are agreed on this, I will move on to step 4) and post the draft for The Hunt for the Ring.
Sidenote: Since making the last post, I have revised (again) my outline for the final chapters. The first of these is still The Hunt for the Ring, but what follows is different. As I currently have it, the chapter that follows I have entitles The Ring Sets Out, which was one of the rejected titles for one of the books of LotR. I think it fits, and in this chapter I have the subheading The Battles of the Fords of Isen. Following that chapter, I have The War of the Ring, which was another rejected title for one of the books of LotR, as well as the title of volume 8 of HoME. Finally, after that, I have The End of the Third Age, which was (again) another rejected title for one of the books of LotR, as well as the title of one edition of volume 9 of HoME. We can discuss these in more detail in their respective threads, but I wanted to lay out the structure so we can all be on the same page. |
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07-25-2018, 11:58 AM
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King's Writer
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After a long search, I have found the prove that the synopsis's are original JRR Tolkien text. Hamond and Scull document in their 'Chronology' in full detail the corrospondence between JRR Tolkien and his publisher. So we get for the July the 5th 1954 the information that JRR Tolkien send the synopsis of The Fellowship of the Ring that was to be included at the begining of The Two Towers and for the 13th of September 1954 that he send the Synopsis of The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers that was to be printed at the begining of The Return of the King.
Respectfully Findegil |
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07-25-2018, 12:27 PM
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Quentingolmo
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Hurray! With that confirmation and the completion of our discussion of the text of The New Shadow, it appears that we have finished a first review of all the drafts for the entire narrative history of the Legendarium, from the creation until the mention of the death of Eldarion! We can now discuss if we want to begin to review the drafts for Volume 3, but I think we should now wait for others to come in and continue the reviews which Aiwendil began with the first three QS chapters.
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07-28-2018, 03:31 PM
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King's Writer
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Well these are your drafts. So it is your decision when you put them up here.
Respectfully Findegil |
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07-31-2018, 01:06 PM
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King's Writer
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I think it is time to update the status.
The following status classes still are used: Untouched: Chapter is foreseen in the structure, but nothing more is done about it. First Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, not yet in a state ready for group discussion. Priv. Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, ready for group discussion, but not yet posted in the Forum. Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, and posted in the Forum. But up to now no discussion had started. Work in progress: Discussed in the Forum but not yet deemed finished by the members OR once deemed finished but known to be in need of substantial revision. Semi-finished: finished but with small points raised by new sources or new input that must be discussed OR finished by a small sub-group discussion but not yet agreed upon by all members. Finished: Done and all members are still happy with the result. Quote:
Findegil Last edited by Findegil; 08-02-2018 at 04:33 AM. |
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07-31-2018, 04:40 PM
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Quentingolmo
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Looking at it all collected here, I must say the amount of progress is staggering. Fin, if you wanted, you could review the draft I posted of the Ambarkanta, since that is one of the more self-contained and straightforward texts from Volume 3, and it is already on the forum, so it would not clutter up the forum any further to review it.
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