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gondowe · 12-05-2017, 09:58 AM

Quote:
Many jewels were embedded in the rocks of its walls.

I have now a dude with this sentence. Possibly is because my understanding/interpretation of English.
Refers that the jewels were embedded by someone after the making of the Calacirya or refers that the jewels were embedded say, geologically, and can see after the making of the pass? I always thought that was the second option.
Greetings

ArcusCalion · 12-05-2017, 10:05 AM

Gems are not mentioned until this paragraph, and it is said that they were first discovered by the Noldor by digging in the earth. If they were naturally embedded in the walls of the Calacirya, they would have discovered them immediately. Therefore they must be manually embedded.

As far as the English goes, the sentence itself does not specify. It could mean they were there, or that they were put there.

gondowe · 12-05-2017, 10:49 AM

Ok, thats fine, thank you.
One thing I had not noticed before. In

EPE-EX-13{In Valinor they first contrived .... were enriched.}<QS rewritten And in all crafts of hand they delighted also; .... and the halls of the {Gods}[Valar] in Valinor were enriched.

would it be not better to include the passage of AAm year 1149 mixed with the account of LQ?
Greetings

Findegil · 12-06-2017, 02:28 PM

Well, I am not that sure that the gems were not 'naturally' embeded in the walls. Since Gems were no longer invented by the Noldor, It is more then possible that Aule when building the Calacirya placed the Gems just below surface so that when the Noldor learned how to read the signs where to find Gems they diged a bit here and there and freed the Gems but let them be where they were.

Respectfully
Findegil

gondowe · 12-06-2017, 03:03 PM

Well, I suppose that we must make differwnces between gems as raw and jewels as worked pieces.
Greetings

ArcusCalion · 12-06-2017, 04:08 PM

To be honest, I think the passage as I inserted it leaves things ambiguous enough that both readings are possible

Findegil · 12-09-2017, 06:34 PM

Yes, true. I was not arguing for any diffrent editing, I just gave my oppinion about the matter.

Respectfully
Findegil

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12-05-2017, 09:58 AM	#1
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 247	Quote: Many jewels were embedded in the rocks of its walls. I have now a dude with this sentence. Possibly is because my understanding/interpretation of English. Refers that the jewels were embedded by someone after the making of the Calacirya or refers that the jewels were embedded say, geologically, and can see after the making of the pass? I always thought that was the second option. Greetings

12-05-2017, 10:05 AM	#2
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	Gems are not mentioned until this paragraph, and it is said that they were first discovered by the Noldor by digging in the earth. If they were naturally embedded in the walls of the Calacirya, they would have discovered them immediately. Therefore they must be manually embedded. As far as the English goes, the sentence itself does not specify. It could mean they were there, or that they were put there.

12-05-2017, 10:49 AM	#3
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 247	Ok, thats fine, thank you. One thing I had not noticed before. In EPE-EX-13{In Valinor they first contrived .... were enriched.}<QS rewritten And in all crafts of hand they delighted also; .... and the halls of the {Gods}[Valar] in Valinor were enriched. would it be not better to include the passage of AAm year 1149 mixed with the account of LQ? Greetings

12-06-2017, 02:28 PM	#4
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Well, I am not that sure that the gems were not 'naturally' embeded in the walls. Since Gems were no longer invented by the Noldor, It is more then possible that Aule when building the Calacirya placed the Gems just below surface so that when the Noldor learned how to read the signs where to find Gems they diged a bit here and there and freed the Gems but let them be where they were. Respectfully Findegil

12-06-2017, 03:03 PM	#5
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 247	Well, I suppose that we must make differwnces between gems as raw and jewels as worked pieces. Greetings

12-06-2017, 04:08 PM	#6
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	To be honest, I think the passage as I inserted it leaves things ambiguous enough that both readings are possible

12-09-2017, 06:34 PM	#7
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Yes, true. I was not arguing for any diffrent editing, I just gave my oppinion about the matter. Respectfully Findegil