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ArcusCalion · 11-19-2017, 09:30 PM

A minor change, but the Quenya version of Thingol given in LQ (Singollo) was replaced in Q&E with Sindicollo. We should make a general change throughout. It is only used three times I believe, so it is not a major change.

ArcusCalion · 02-06-2018, 12:35 AM

Another minor question, but in the Notes from the Shibboleth (by far the latest notes on the subject as far as I can tell) Orodreth (given as an altered form of Rodreth) was replaced. This is how we have edited it in the current draft:

Quote:

Quenya Artaher (stem artaher-) 'noble lord' was correctly Sindarized as Arothír. (altered to Orodreth because of his love of the mountains.)

However, the parenthetical section was taken from a reference to the earlier name Rodreth, and now that this has changed, it does not make sense. Should we then change all occurrences of Orodreth to Arothír (with the long í as per the VT41 SF notes)?

Findegil · 02-13-2018, 08:00 AM

I have taken up {Singollo}[Sindicollo]. But for Orordreth we used the argument that the names must be valid sitll since we have ruler of Gondor called by the same name.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 02-13-2018, 05:24 PM

While I see the logic that the fact of the name existing for a lord of Gondor proves it's a valid name, I do not see how it makes it any more applicable to Arothir as a name.

Findegil · 02-14-2018, 06:30 AM

Well, many (if not all) Truchsess of Gondor were named after 'heros' of the First Age. I would not assume that there was a second charachter call Orodreth after whom Orodreth of Gondor was named. We rather thought that Tolkien if faced by the fact that Orordreth of Gondor existed would have thought that Arothír got the old epithet for the same reasons. (With the Change of the name the charachter does not change, so the feature that warranted the name remains.)

Respectfully
Findegil

Findegil · 12-07-2018, 03:27 PM

We have to add one change at least:
{Longbeards}[Long-beards] per LotR if the Dwarves of Moria a meant.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 12-07-2018, 08:36 PM

Should we then change the other kindreds of the Dwarves to match this? The Fire-beards, Black-locks etc. as opposed to Firebeards and Blacklocks?

Arvegil145 · 08-29-2023, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Findegil

We have to add one change at least:
{Longbeards}[Long-beards] per LotR if the Dwarves of Moria a meant.

Respectfully
Findegil

Are you sure?

Because in my 50th Anniversary copy of the LOTR, it says:

Quote:

Durin is the name that the Dwarves used for the eldest of the Seven Fathers of their race, and the ancestor of all the kings of the Longbeards.

- Appendix A, 'Durin's Folk', p. 1,071

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11-19-2017, 09:30 PM	#1
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	A minor change, but the Quenya version of Thingol given in LQ (Singollo) was replaced in Q&E with Sindicollo. We should make a general change throughout. It is only used three times I believe, so it is not a major change.

02-13-2018, 08:00 AM	#3
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I have taken up {Singollo}[Sindicollo]. But for Orordreth we used the argument that the names must be valid sitll since we have ruler of Gondor called by the same name. Respectfully Findegil

02-13-2018, 05:24 PM	#4
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	While I see the logic that the fact of the name existing for a lord of Gondor proves it's a valid name, I do not see how it makes it any more applicable to Arothir as a name.

02-14-2018, 06:30 AM	#5
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Well, many (if not all) Truchsess of Gondor were named after 'heros' of the First Age. I would not assume that there was a second charachter call Orodreth after whom Orodreth of Gondor was named. We rather thought that Tolkien if faced by the fact that Orordreth of Gondor existed would have thought that Arothír got the old epithet for the same reasons. (With the Change of the name the charachter does not change, so the feature that warranted the name remains.) Respectfully Findegil

12-07-2018, 03:27 PM	#6
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	We have to add one change at least: {Longbeards}[Long-beards] per LotR if the Dwarves of Moria a meant. Respectfully Findegil

12-07-2018, 08:36 PM	#7
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	Should we then change the other kindreds of the Dwarves to match this? The Fire-beards, Black-locks etc. as opposed to Firebeards and Blacklocks?