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Late Istar
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Here is my new draft for chapter 1. I have kept most of Findegil's edit numbers, though in some cases where the edit has changed significantly, I've added a distinguishing letter.
Normal Text is from the basic text that is mentioned above. Bold Text = source information, comments and remarks {to be deleted} = text that should be deleted [ ] = normalised text <source > = additions with source information underlined = text inserted for grammatical reason / / = outline expansion Quote:
BoT-02: We agreed to retain this extract from MT. BoT-02.5: I’ve taken out this section from MT, since it is part of the ‘Primeval Light’ story. BoT-03: I altered the editing slightly from Findegil’s version to make the join between MT and Ainulindale smoother. AINU-11: These changes were agreed on in the Ainulindalë thread. BoT-04: I retained the ‘For they tell us that’ that Findegil deleted; I think this is fine since we still say this information comes from the loremasters. BoT-05: I omitted this addition, because looking at it now it seems redundant with the preceding passage from the Ainulindalë. BoT-06b: I take Tulkas’s entrance from AAm. BoT-08: This sentence from MT II doesn’t add much, but I see no problem with it either. We could leave it out or put it in. BoT-08.6: From the Ainulindalë I take the statement that Tulkas became one of the Valar, a detail missing in AAm. BoT-09: I edited this very slightly differently from Findegil, combining sentences instead of starting a new one. BoT-10: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-11: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-12: As in Findegil’s draft. AINU-09: As in Findegil’s draft. AINU-10: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-13b, -13.5: I use AAm and Ainulindalë for the making of the Lamps, which I think chops the text up less. BoT-15: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-15.1: This paragraph from AAm was emended in the typescript AAm*, and we should use the final version. BoT-15.2: Change of ‘Walls of the Night’ to ‘Walls of Night’ from the typescript AAm* BoT-15.5: I’ve moved this passage telling of Melkor taking physical form (Findegil’s BoT-20) slightly. In Findegil’s version, we tell that he re-enters Arda and delves Utumno and then say that he takes physical form; this requires a change to the statement that he ‘descended upon Earth’. I think that, in contrast, the Ainulindalë (from which the passage comes) suggests that he assumed physical form immediately before re-entering Arda - hence ‘descending’. BoT-15.6: The beginning of this paragraph was emended in AAm*. BoT-16: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-17: As in Findegil’s draft. BoT-19: I omit this, as it is redundant with what follows from AAm. BoT-20: Moved to become BoT-15.5 BoT-21: Without the BoT-20 passage intervening, there’s no need to change ‘But’ to ‘And’. I also incorporate a change from AAm* here. BoT-24: As discussed above, I merge the AAm and LQ versions here. Also, the last phrase here was omitted in the typescript AAm*, so I omit it here. Last edited by Aiwendil; 10-30-2017 at 07:02 PM. |
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Quentingolmo
Join Date: Aug 2017
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I have prepared some comments, and this post actually turned out far shorter than I expected. I think this draft was actually a great improvement over the first one, and I am extremely excited about it.
![]() Bot-03: Where it says "fields of Aman" it should be "Arda." BoT-04: after "so would Melkor undo or corrupt it." I would add in Fin's BoT-05: Quote:
BoT-06b: I miss the longer LQ description of Tulkas' coming. It conveys his personality and description so much more fully and charismatically: Quote:
BoT-08: This seems redundant, and adds no information, simply repeating things already said in the last paragraph. BoT-08.6: what about Quote:
BoT-13b: i somewhat miss the turns of phrase in Fin's version, but there is no real reason not to use yours BoT-15.1: in the AAm insert, as I said to Fin, Vana cannot robe Nessa in flowers, as it has been said that flowers have not come forth yet on earth, so we decided to change it to "signs of spring". BoT-21: what is the source of your replacement for the "And" in the second sentence? |
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Quentingolmo
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BoT-04: you should take up "wrought" as well, as in your version the phrase has no verb. Otherwise agreed.
BoT-06c: I like this better, personally, ![]() BoT-08.5: I am fine with omitting it, I just wanted to see the reasoning. BoT-13b: Your version may actually be preferred, looking again. The version Fin made used bits from the next chapter, and seems choppy, so the simplicity of your version seems better to me. BoT-15.1: Maybe just leaves instead of flowers? Finally made it to page 2! |
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BoT-04: You're right - I copied and pasted less than I meant to.
BoT-15.1: It is curious that AAm has birds and flowers apparently existing during the age of the Lamps, while Ainulindale D as corrected says that they did not. But maybe that change to the Ainulindale post-dates those sections of AAm. Anyway, I'm skeptical about substituting "leaves". It seems like too great a liberty, and is a very different image from the flowers. I'd still rather remove it. |
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Actually, looking into BoT-15.1 further, I may have found the solution.
In AAm* (and in at least one emendation to the full AAm), Tulkas's wife becomes, instead of Nessa, the newly introduced 'Lëa the Young', a Maia. I had noticed this, but ignored it because the Valaquenta, which postdates AAm*, again has Nessa as his spouse and no mention of Lëa . However, in ignoring these changes I overlooked this: Quote:
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Quentingolmo
Join Date: Aug 2017
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That is perfect!
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