Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I think it's worth talking about which win condition we want to fulfill.

From the admin thread -



Now, the game ends on Day 6. We aren't going to get a lynch that day, but conversely, the person whom the conspirators demoralize the Night before won't have had time to die. This means, in game terms, that we have five lynches to play with.

Now, we've already given up two of those with our no-lynch plan the past two days. In order to fulfill the first win condition, we'd have to be right each time we lynch, the next three days. That's certainly something we can try for, if we think we can pull it off, but it might be worth considering the second condition.

There are nine people alive - it's currently a 6/3 split in our favor. By tomorrow, Day 4, (if we no-lynch) it'll be 5/3 (assuming no Herbalist save). If we no-lynch again, on Day 5 (the final day) it'll be 4/3. Someone will likely die that night (all of this is assuming no more Gifted saves), but 3/3 is still equal; provided either the Herbalist or the Bard is still alive, we'll win.

I'm not sure it's the spirit of the game to never lynch anyone, but I do think it's an option that should be discussed. Anyone can check my math in case I'm wrong.

I ran the scenario in this post. According to that scenario, we would need at least one save for the no lynch scenario to work.

Time is beginning to wane.

What should we do toDAY?

[Inziladun]

I'll go ahead and do this, since I don't foresee another rep candidate coming to mind.

++Lottie

As for the lynch, maybe

++Lalaith or

++Shasta (maybe because he isn't suspecting me )

Boro is here and being confusing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I ran the scenario in this post. According to that scenario, we would need at least one save for the no lynch scenario to work.

Time is beginning to wane.

What should we do toDAY?

You're right, the McCaber modfire threw me off. Well, there goes that.

As far as a lynch goes, though, I think the two days of getting to be lazy because of the no-lynching has messed with my head a bit, because I can't think of anyone I suspect. I'll go take a look at Lommy and Lalaith, I suppose. Still don't suspect Inzil (even though he suspects me for not suspecting him, rude.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, it can't be Kuru or Lottie.

It could be Legate, regardless of whether or not he proposed the early no-lynches; I personally am dealing with the repercussions of that (complacency) and I don't think I'm the only one. I haven't looked very seriously at much that he's said, to be honest, because the majority seems to think him a cleared innocent - and that's dangerous. It's a bit late in the day to do anything about that right now, though.

I don't think it's Inzil mostly because of the early out-of-nowhere suspicion on him that I didn't understand (and at this point, I'm not going to lie - I may be clinging to this impression of his innocence because I don't like being wrong.) I wouldn't want to see him lynched today, though.

Lalaith - I've only played a couple games with her, as I recall, and she reminds me a bit of G55 in that quasi-helpful way that she has, that almost looking-for-approval tone. Trouble is, I almost always think G55's innocent unless given some actual evidence, and I don't see any of that to say Lal is evil, so... tentatively think she's innocent.

Lommy I tend to trust more now that I have a more solid opinion on Legate, because she seems to be the only other person thus for who's entertained the notion. She also seems to be fully behind Lottie as rep, which is the sensible (if boring) option - and I'd think, this far into the game, having missed a kill, the wolves would be trying harder to wrest control of the lynch. I'm okay with her.

Boro is a total mystery. Process of elimination tells me he's probably a conspirator given my reads on everyone else. There's not a lot else to say here.

So, if I had to pick three... eesh. Boro for sure. Legate, because I'm not as sold as everyone else seems to be and it'd be a masterful play if he actually is evil (also, I've catapulted to "cleared" status before as evil - he remembers.) And... I don't know. I so don't want to be wrong on Inzil, but I suppose I could be.

That took far too long.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Great to see people around!

I am also very much happier about Shasta - he sounds reasonable and all, and seems genuine and genuinely thinking about the game.

Boro not much so far, I see. But at least he is around.

I guess we should keep a tally on the "votes" for who we want to see lynched. (Those can of course be "retracted" and so on, but I'm thinking mainly so that we know who seems to be wanted by the majority. And also by whom!) I will try to take a look at that in a second...

EDIT: x-ed with one Shasta

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, there aren't really "clear" votes as far as I can see apart from Zil's.

Inzil => ++Lalaith, or maybe ++Shasta

But:
Lottie was originally for ++Lommy, but now would prefer ++Lalaith (right?) So it would effectively be for Lalaith from you at the moment?

I am not sure if I would like to lynch Lalaith, it is an option I would not oppose, but I might prefer Zil or even Boro (yeah, now that he is nicely here, we can happily lynch him, right... )

EDIT: x-ed since my last (i.e., Lalaith)

[Kuruharan]

Whatever else may be said, Inzil's right about one thing...not enough video links this game.

EDIT: That first cat may have been reading this game...

[satansaloser2005]

++youtube links for representative

The Day has ended. It occurs to me I haven't been clearly numbering the Days and Nights, so I'll fix that once I'm not on mobile.


Lottie is the rep. Kindly send me your report at your convenience.

Sweet dreams, everyone.

[satansaloser2005]

Dun tossed and turned in his bed. The nightmares had gotten worse over the last couple of nights; it was nearly impossible for him to sleep without seeing Nerwen or Phantom.

A loud thud echoed through Dun's room as he fell from his bed. He groggily rolled over, his bedding joining him on the floor and covering his body. A moment later, he was wrenched from the floor by sharp-nailed fingers. He screamed, but the blankets muffled his voice.

"Help me!" he shouted again. "What's happening?"

The pressure on his legs tightened, claws digging into his calves as another hand clamped over his mouth. He was being carried somewhere, clearly, but where, and by whom?

"Mmmph mmmm didn't mmph!"

"Silence!" a gravelly voice demanded, and when Dun struggled again, the fingers on his face thrust into his cheeks, blood spilling down his face.

He tried to ask what they wanted, but before he could do anything else about his predicament, he was slammed to the floor.

The floor of his bedroom was cold. Dun shivered, attempting to recover his bearings. He was covered in sweat, but definitely uninjured.

"It was just a dream," he reminded himself. "I'm going to be just-"

A hand closed over his mouth, and the room was silent once more.


Patients
Kuru
Lottie
Lalaith
Lommy
Legate
Boro
Shasta

The Morgue
Phantom (for posterity)
McCaber
Nerwen
Dun


It is now Day 4.

[Lalaith]

How would Legate have known that McCaber wasn't going to show up?

He wouldn't of course, but if he were a wolf worrying about the third wolf not having shown up during Night one, it might explain why he said two wolves on Day One - it was an odd thing to say.
It's certainly not enough to make me want to lynch him but I was concerned about the consensus forming around his innocence - such unchallenged consensus is dangerous.
Boro's timely arrival has calmed my concerns about Kuru.
Speaking of which - I was going to say, whether Boro turned up or not, I don't believe in reading so much into Boro's possible role based on his absence - RL issues can affect gifted, wolves and ordos alike.
Anyway, despite her current bloodlust in my direction, I am going to vote
++Loslote as rep, as I think she is the only more or less safe bet to be innocent.
As I said, now Boro has confirmed he is breath-free I am no longer worried about Kuru - but I still believe that we have at least one noisy wolf among us, and of the three I was trying to fit into a pattern earlier, the most wolfy is Zil, and I would be inclined to vote there.

[Loslote]

I'll have to leave soon, so since I'm getting rep votes again, I wanted to leave you all with a summary of my current state of mind.

I do think we need to lynch today, and I will listen to the will of the village within reason. (If you all try to tell me to have Legate or Kuru killed, I'm not gonna do it, sorry not sorry.) I would lean towards Lalaith, but I also feel shaky about Shasta and Lommy. If everyone insists on Zil, I would go with the will of the majority, but I don't think I would go for Boro at this point.

Please, when you vote, also include who you would like to lynch toDay! I don't want to mess up and have the wrong person killed, and I won't be around at the deadline to confirm with you all what the final decision is. Transparency is the best way to be sure no unfortunate mistakes are made!

Also, if you decide not to go with me, I would be perfectly happy with

++Legate

as rep. I don't know where this recent suspicion came from - it appears to have come from the fact that no one does suspect him, which I think is a little ridiculous and a lot suspicious - but I still trust him.

Edit: xed with Legate

[Boromir88]

Why are we voting Lottie for rep?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Why are we voting Lottie for rep?

Cause we're boring.

(She was saved by the Herbalist.)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it's bedtime for me as well, so.

++Loslote for the Rep

I am for lynching Boro primarily, or secondarily Zil. If there is a majority for either of those, I would support that one (Zil seems to be more probable, so I guess if I were to cast a "real vote", it would be
++Zil
). If there is a majority for Lalaith, I could go with that (and if I end up being elected, I'd honor that if it would be a majority wish).

I am certainly against lynching Shasta, Kuru or Loslote.

So far, I believe our "tally" for the lynch would be:

Loslote=>Lalaith
Zil=>Lalaith
Lommy=>Inzil
Legate=>Inzil

Correct me if I am wrong, I am really really going to sleep now, but I trust people will see it if I'm blatantly wrong. I think I am not.

That's roughly it. Good Night.

P. S. And I really appeal on all of you to do the "mock lynch vote" here. Because it also makes it much easier to figure out who really said what and all that.

[Kuruharan]

++Lottie for Rep although I believe that is academic now.

As much as it would have been cool to be the first village in the history of...ever to possibly win a game without making any lynches...circumstances dictate that we do so.

Make no mistake about it, I do not trust Inzil. He may very well be bad and we may need to eject him.

However, of the realistic candidates on offer, I feel worse about ++Lalaith.

Sorry, Lalaith. You know I love you.

Edit: Forgot my vote pluses.

[Boromir88]

In that case...

++Lottie for rep

As for the lynch. I'm all for informing the guards a name today. I'm not going to have a clue who, so I will leave it to the hands of our chosen member. She seems to have a rational and logical mind for her choices, much better than the random guesses I would throw out right now.

[Lalaith]

I too need to go to sleep. I vote for ++Inzil.
Kuru, there's only one thing to say and that's

[Thinlómien]

Just when I thought I had a hang of this game, you guys start messing with my head again. Mostly just the mats though.

Originally Posted by Legate

Wait, this does not make any sense. If the WWs had targeted McCaber on Night 1, he would have died on Night 2. But he died only on Night 3. Like, I can imagine a situation where the WWs would intentionally forgo the first kill in order to make Lottie look good (it's about the only "conspiracy theory" scheme I really consider possible at all so far, but that's also one extra reason for me to entrust Lottie with the vote so far as she seems trustworthy).

You're right, my bad. But it doesn't sound very likely that the wolves would skip their first kill just for funsies, does it? Well, if they did, it was rather brilliant. But I'm not really considering that. Not now.

Originally Posted by Kuru

Legate is likely innocent (and at this point in the game, pretty much has to be treated as one) because he was the first to publically advocate the risky and controversial plan of Not Lynching. He stuck to his guns on this point and the plan is/was a tactically and strategically sound one given the parameters of this game. If you want further explanation of why this is so, please go back and review our posts on the subject as I really don’t want to rehash the whole thing here.

I agree he's most likely innocent, but you being so adamant about it makes me think that if you don't succumb to the black breath and there's no clear indication of a save, Legate should be definitely looked at too. This (and the totally unnecessary follow up in #193) is exactly the kind of patting on the back that's weirding me out in this game. But it's a bit pointless to speculate that toDay as your fate remains to be seen (okay, that sounded cold, I was just playing an rpg with a ruthless bounty hunter character and maybe the attitude stuck ) and Legate is hardly a primary problem toDay for the reasons you mention.

Originally Posted by Boro

The weekend snuck up and smacked me hard. But I promise I'm only mostly dead, which means I'm slightly alive. I just need a miracle to figure out what the heck has happened in the last 1.5-2 days. (No this isn't a counter to Kuru'a black breath, the weekend thoroughly tried to kill me...but not dead enough!)

*waves* Good to have you back! At least for the time being.

Shasta's advocating for a no lynch, huh? That doesn't sound very good to me. Like it sounds stupid (and boring), and doesn't make me think better of Shasta either.

++Lottie for rep


edit: xed with "198 and everything onwards

[Thinlómien]

Lalaith's latest got me like . And by that I mean it sounded so contrived that perhaps I'm mistaken about her after all. I don't know. I still think she's probably a very confused innocent.

++Inzil

for lynch. Like I've said before, he keeps stirring the discussion in the weirdest ways, while being very glib and not always making much sense (okay, few of us do in this weird game, sorry about that mate). Something's just wrong about him.

Also, Shasta's pretty high on my suspicion list too and his reluctance to lynch Inzil makes me raise my eyebrows quite a lot too - it's easy to see wolf!Shasta trying to avoid the lynch of fellow Inzil (who's been quite widely suspected since Day1).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta's advocating for a no lynch, huh? That doesn't sound very good to me. Like it sounds stupid (and boring), and doesn't make me think better of Shasta either.

I am doing no such thing. I presented it as an option without taking the modkill into account, and let go of that plan when it was pointed out by Kuru. This sort of spin makes me think quite badly of Lommy suddenly.