Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

O-ho! Black Breath or no Black Breath, brace yourselves for a twelve-minute speech, because guess what? I have arrived!

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Okay okay, maybe let's start more slowly. For one: if I got the rules right, then we should select a representative (yeah, a real pity about The Phantom). What I propose however is that also everyone suggests (maybe via a "normal" vote, i.e. bolded and not highlighted?) the name the representative should deliver to the Guards. It is, of course, then up to the Representative whether they behave like a democratically elected representative of the majority and deliver the name of the most suspected person, or whether they pick the person they choose themselves... and on top of everything, whether they are going to be honest about it. I can imagine several funny scenarios already, but let's not get too ahead of us.

As a sidenote, I realise this style of Day 1 may be helpful for the lazier existences among us who prefer not to cast a vote on Day 1, therefore delegating the responsibility on somebody else...

Also, since somebody has to mention this, and once again, the phantom isn't here to supply us with plans: since we are just waiting to get rescued, I wonder if a purposeful tie (or a purposeful miss of vote from the Representative) would actually be benefitial for the village. Meaning, the more there are of us, the greater chance we outnumber the Wolves, the bigger chance the Gifteds aren't mislynched, etc. Discuss?

Ha! See? That was a short post.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay okay, maybe let's start more slowly. For one: if I got the rules right, then we should select a representative (yeah, a real pity about The Phantom). What I propose however is that also everyone suggests (maybe via a "normal" vote, i.e. bolded and not highlighted?) the name the representative should deliver to the Guards. It is, of course, then up to the Representative whether they behave like a democratically elected representative of the majority and deliver the name of the most suspected person, or whether they pick the person they choose themselves... and on top of everything, whether they are going to be honest about it. I can imagine several funny scenarios already, but let's not get too ahead of us.

Under most circumstances, we'd find out next Day if the Representative had picked someone else.

Also, since somebody has to mention this, and once again, the phantom isn't here to supply us with plans: since we are just waiting to get rescued, I wonder if a purposeful tie (or a purposeful miss of vote from the Representative) would actually be benefitial for the village. Meaning, the more there are of us, the greater chance we outnumber the Wolves, the bigger chance the Gifteds aren't mislynched, etc.

Do you mean we agree in advance for the Representative not to send in a target? Or what?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Do you mean we agree in advance for the Representative not to send in a target? Or what?

Yes. If the Representative would respect that (but then I assume they would, resp. I assume we'd choose someone who we know would).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes. If the Representative would respect that (but then I assume they would, resp. I assume we'd choose someone who we know would).

Would our Moddess accept this, though?

Sally, can we have a ruling on this, please?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Would our Moddess accept this, though?

Sally, can we have a ruling on this, please?

The representative doesn't have to send in a name.

[Lalaith]

Hello everyone. Just trying to get to grips with everyone and everything around here.

I wonder if a purposeful tie (or a purposeful miss of vote from the Representative) would actually be benefitial for the village. Meaning, the more there are of us, the greater chance we outnumber the Wolves, the bigger chance the Gifteds aren't mislynched, etc. Discuss?

I am not pretending to fully understand the rules, but I'm not clear on how this any different to deciding against having a lynching on the first day?

[Inziladun]

Curse the Black Breath, and the black mouth from which it emerged!

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

For one: if I got the rules right, then we should select a representative (yeah, a real pity about The Phantom). What I propose however is that also everyone suggests (maybe via a "normal" vote, i.e. bolded and not highlighted?) the name the representative should deliver to the Guards. It is, of course, then up to the Representative whether they behave like a democratically elected representative of the majority and deliver the name of the most suspected person, or whether they pick the person they choose themselves... and on top of everything, whether they are going to be honest about it. I can imagine several funny scenarios already, but let's not get too ahead of us.

Well, not acceding to the wishes of the group will require some tall explaining and but the rep in for a fair amount of suspicion. Especially since, if I recall rightly, we won't know the alignment of the one the guards take.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Also, since somebody has to mention this, and once again, the phantom isn't here to supply us with plans: since we are just waiting to get rescued, I wonder if a purposeful tie (or a purposeful miss of vote from the Representative) would actually be benefitial for the village. Meaning, the more there are of us, the greater chance we outnumber the Wolves, the bigger chance the Gifteds aren't mislynched, etc.

But don't the baddies still get their evil whispering in the meantime?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

The representative doesn't have to send in a name.

Ah, again I think not doing so would reflect poorly on the rep.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I am not pretending to fully understand the rules, but I'm not clear on how this any different to deciding against having a lynching on the first day?

My point is, most of all, that it doesn't have to be even just for the first Day. That's why I suggested to discuss this. We could, theoretically, keep doing it indefinitely - or at least until the situation would shift dramatically (e.g. we'd start losing Gifteds and so on. Although I just realised that has its own problems, such as that we don't know the roles of the dead, right?). But see also below in my reply to Zil...

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But don't the baddies still get their evil whispering in the meantime?

They would. But the point of this was to minimalise the damage. According to the rules, the innocents can win just by surviving (as Sally now specified, five Days), providing there are more of them than Wolves and they have at least one of the Gifted still alive. Five Days, that's five Wolf-kills. If they don't kill the Gifteds (or at most one), and of course if nobody gets modfired (which could be the biggest concern), that leaves five people alive, out of which only two are Wolves. It is close, of course (and I guess that was the point so that the game remais balanced - btw good job, Sally, in any case), but given that we also have effectively two "Rangers", there is quite some chance that it might work out.

Basically what I am offering for discussion is: is it more dangerous for us to start lynching people (given that in this game, we do not have the traditional voting pattern to rely on and on top of everything, we do not know what was the dead person's role!!) and therefore the win-condition for us practically would become that we have to bag a Wolf (or preferrably both) to win; or, to not lynch people on our own and just let the WWs do the process of thinning the numbers of villagers; but if they don't manage to kill both Gifteds, they are guaranteed to lose.

I simply think this would be an interesting point to discuss, if nothing else.

Otherwise: I suggest we really do cast votes for the person we want as Representative as well as some "unofficial" votes (for example just boldened) for who we would like to see lynched (and we can do it even if we later decide not to lynch anyone in the end. It will lose the point of course, but better to have it than not to have it, anyway. It is still something that tells something about people's thinking, even if they were lying).

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ah, again I think not doing so would reflect poorly on the rep.

Unless we decided that they should do so (that was the question in that particular case).