Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Fact is perhaps he played slightly too well. If he'd killed one less Wolf he'd be in position to lynch the Wolf today then take the game during the Night. That just shows- you don't want to be too good. You just need to be exactly good enough.

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Fact is perhaps he played slightly too well. If he'd killed one less Wolf he'd be in position to lynch the Wolf today then take the game during the Night. That just shows- you don't want to be too good. You just need to be exactly good enough.

He is, however, exactly where I wanted to be toDay. So that means I need to kill him out of spite.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by McCaber

He is, however, exactly where I wanted to be toDay. So that means I need to kill him out of spite.

You played well McCaber. I'm interested to learn what specifics Boro knew. The whole Lalaith kill still bothers me. It was too big a shot in the dark to be coincidence to me.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morm

The whole Lalaith kill still bothers me. It was too big a shot in the dark to be coincidence to me.

That bothered me too, because at the time I didn't see why she would be ruled out by a Werebear type as the Seer, and yet in his reasoning for killing her he said she definitely didn't look Gifted. I'll have to dig it up after the game, but at that stage in the game she was a possible Gifted. At the time I was content to think, "Perhaps he isn't afraid of taking a shot because his ability only works on Wolves," but if he is a true WereBear then he obviously didn't care if he killed Gifteds (and why would she have been an obvious Wolf?).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

That bothered me too, because at the time I didn't see why she would be ruled out by a Werebear type as the Seer, and yet in his reasoning for killing her he said she definitely didn't look Gifted. I'll have to dig it up after the game, but at that stage in the game she was a possible Gifted. At the time I was content to think, "Perhaps he isn't afraid of taking a shot because his ability only works on Wolves," but if he is a true WereBear then he obviously didn't care if he killed Gifteds (and why would she have been an obvious Wolf?).

Well, I had a pretty strong hunch she was a wolf, and nearly dreamed her the night she was killed- so it may have been only a lucky guess.

Still, multiply that by three and it's awfully good lucky guessing...
maybe as I suggested he could originally only kill wolves, but can now kill anyone.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, I had a pretty strong hunch she was a wolf, and nearly dreamed her the night she was killed- so it may have been only a lucky guess.

Still, multiply that by three and it's awfully good lucky guessing...
maybe as I suggested he could originally only kill wolves, but can now kill anyone.

I wondered that too. I also was thinking he may have some sort of seer component to his role. That would be powerful indeed.

[the phantom]

By the way, I very much enjoyed the Cage and Power Rangers, etc. We're going to have to reread this a couple months from now just so we can get the laughs all over again.

[Rikae]

Ok, I give up too, since everyone else (including Mac) has decided to do as morm says.

However, I do think it's not only acceptable to use this strategy, but, as I said, offensive and un-sportsmanlike to intimidate us into abandoning it with bad-faith accusations of rule breaking.

This was a fun game, but that turned it sour for me.

Oh well, I guess all we can do is:
++Shasta

and hope for the best.

EDIT: X'd with morm

[Nerwen]

++Shasta

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Rikae

However, I do think it's not only acceptable to use this strategy, but, as I said, offensive and un-sportsmanlike to intimidate us into abandoning it with bad-faith accusations of rule breaking.

This was a fun game, but that turned it sour for me.

Rikae, no offense was meant and I apologize if I came across wrong. I did not intend to be intimidating, I was trying to sort out what it all meant and looking at it from the moderator perspective I had some questions I wanted to bring forward as from my perspective what was occurring was indeed breaking the rules.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Morm

But it was being manipulated to give those who don't know all the roles information. Isn't that a reason?

Well, seeing as those on the receiving end have zero access to any of the edited information in question, it could be argued that its a moot point.

Unless you are arguing that the editing of the post-count itself qualifies, but obviously when those rules were written none of us dreamed that the post count itself qualified as a means of communication.

Hmmm... Either way this is a brand new case. There's never been anything like this...

I can totally see what you're saying. Those that have access to the text are gaining nothing therefore editing rules don't apply, EXCEPT for the fact that the editing is meant only to change the reply number which everyone has access to, which may lead to an exchange of information via editing. Yes, in that case the rule applies. That's where you are coming from- I get it.

But at the same time, unique situation due to a unique game- spamming is obviously out of bounds and yet within Fea's Republic game it was encouraged (the Filibuster) as a creative gameplay technique. Similarly in this game, modeled after Mac and Rikae's game, the Mod is interested in seeing if the Dead can find unique ways to communicate with the Living (i.e. voting methods, same-player spamming, Europe players going quiet to signal hurry up, etc.) thus the editing may fall under the umbrella of game-specific technique. But perhaps the umbrella has been stretched too far...

Ah, but that's getting too technical and I'm content with your ruling- it has legs under it as the Reply count could signal information. That was the intent, certainly. We should just try for the next 88 per usual posting rules.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Well, seeing as those on the receiving end have zero access to any of the edited information in question, it could be argued that its a moot point.

Unless you are arguing that the editing of the post-count itself qualifies, but obviously when those rules were written none of us dreamed that the post count itself qualified as a means of communication.

Hmmm... Either way this is a brand new case. There's never been anything like this...

I can totally see what you're saying. Those that have access to the text are gaining nothing therefore editing rules don't apply, EXCEPT for the fact that the editing is meant only to change the reply number which everyone has access to, which may lead to an exchange of information via editing. Yes, in that case the rule applies. That's where you are coming from- I get it.

But at the same time, unique situation due to a unique game- spamming is obviously out of bounds and yet within Fea's Republic game it was encouraged (the Filibuster) as a creative gameplay technique. Similarly in this game, modeled after Mac and Rikae's game, the Mod is interested in seeing if the Dead can find unique ways to communicate with the Living (i.e. voting methods, same-player spamming, Europe players going quiet to signal hurry up, etc.) thus the editing may fall under the umbrella of game-specific technique. But perhaps the umbrella has been stretched too far...

Ah, but that's getting too technical and I'm content with your ruling- it has legs under it as the Reply count could signal information. That was the intent, certainly. We should just try for the next 88 per usual posting rules.

I get what you are saying and I'm wearing two hats here...one as a player (wants Boro to win) the other as forum moderator (wants rules to be followed). Yes you have my reasoning.

The player in me will keep spamming too. The moderator would defer to Kuru for his thoughts on the matter if this is okay in his game given the general rules. With that said I've been out of touch with WW for some time now and some conventions may have changed.