Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

If Legate wasn't Wolf-killed, then that means he wasn't a quality Seer suspect, despite the fact that he kept gunning for Green and she was then brought down by the Hunter. The Wolf packs would have no way of knowing that Green wasn't a Wolf- they would assume she was in the other pack. Thus why would they doubt his Seership? Only if he listed one or more of them as innocent- Nerwen, Lommy, Mith were his innocents.

Assuming Rikae is telling the truth, Lommy is cleared, which leaves either-
(1) Nerwen in pack A and Mith in pack B
(2) Legate in pack A and Nerwen and/or Mith in pack B

Is this line of reasoning too ungrounded to explore further? I mean, maybe the pack(s) wasn't even targeting the Seer. Why would they target Rikae? If Lottie was a member? Why would they target Mac? Once again, Lottie would've had cause, but she obviously can't be in both packs. Was it Mac himself that did away with Rikae?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Kuru

I feel obliged to chime in here to say that you should not place that interpretation on it. Kills are always posted in the narrations in the order they either happen in the Living Thread or the names are turned in by the killers.

Darn it!! That completely ruins any possibility of getting a clear handle on the things if we don't even know who was Wolf killed. I mean, that's the ONE thing the Living and Dead were counting on for forming suspicions- the fact that the Wolves would be purposefully killing people each night. But tonight we don't even know who they killed.

[Rikae]

Considering that I'm dead...

It may be that my case against Lottie hit the mark. I actually thought Firefoot was the worse of the two at the time... yeah. *grumble*

Anyway I've been looking for Mac-pack in the living thread, and there isn't a whole lot to go on.

Pardon me if the following is sloppy... it's the Riesling.

Post 121, morm votes for Mac, early vote, " something in a number of the posts felt off"

131, Mac says of morm, "mormegil - I was originally going to put him under the radar, until I realized I was about to put morm under the radar. Can't be, especially since he did post a few times."
Says nothing about getting voted.

Trusts me, Firefoot, Nilp, Legate, Greenie
Nilp or Legate would be in a cozy place there among all those innocents.

Calls Agan, Rune & morm slightly suspicious.

post 168, Mac feels better about morm for the points he raises about Nog
Mac 188 "I don't really suspect morm anymore now, and I'd rather not vote for Rune. Nogrod made his way up my suspect list, but I feel quite unconfident about it.
Unless something unexpected happens, I will vote for Aganzir. "

Mac 281
"There's something odd going on in #247,248,250:
First, Sally suggests Rune might have been a wolf killed by the other wolves. I'm not following her reasoning really. Also, I don't think that's their priority yet.
Then Morm is all over it for this reason, which is ok, but also because she's "trying to make a case against a dead man". How else are we going to figure something out at this point before we get any evidence back from the dead?
Then Lottie is all over morm for being "weirdly defensive", making him highly suspicious. I get criticizing him, but that's too quick over too little.

...aaand then Greenie mentions the exact same thing, just more eloquently. Well, actually not the exact same thing, since I'm raising half an eyebrow at morm, too.
"

285, morm on Mac:
"Yes, and I've felt odd about Mac since early yesterday, hence my vote. Something feels very off. It seems a very forced attempt at being normal. Too much effort into it if that makes sense. To quote Frodo:

"Well, if he was one of the enemy, he would look fairer and...well, feel fouler, if you see what I mean."

He seems opposite to me, he's attempting to look fair but feels foul.
"
In 312, Mac's saying morm looks fine. He's suspecting "wolf-on-wolf people" (wrt Lommy/Agan): me, Form, nilp, Firefoot.

then he says never mind when I correct him (327).

350 morm votes for Mac again

352 Firefoot suspects Mac

378 Mac trusts me, Lommy, Lalaith, Eomer, Mith
puts morm, Nilp & Legate in "leaning innocent" (with McCaber, Boro, Greenie)
Suspects Agan, Sally, Lottie, Firefoot

"Reason tells me the case against Agan is clear, but my gut hesitates. I don't like any of the present alternatives, though, especially since one of those alternatives is me. "

384 Mac votes Agan
386 Nilp "And my vote make it six for

++Aganzir"

Edit: X'd with phantom

EDIT: my following post #253 at 12:05

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh, and also:

I false-revealed as the seer in my first game and have tried my best to do so in every game since, regardless of role. I'm surprised no one seems to have noticed that yet.

I'm an ordo trying to troll for reactions. Well, either that, or someone whose role-pm got lost in the twisting nether. But enough of that nonsense, I don't want to waste too much precious time.

So... rejoice! The seer is still alive!

And personally, I'm more inclined to trust Mac now - which sucks. All the dead look innocentish to me (except maybe Legate). I just hope the real seer (and Boro looks like a reasonable candidate) has chosen to dream of some quiet ones instead of chatty now-corpses.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway I've been looking for Mac-pack in the living thread, and there isn't a whole lot to go on.

I wonder why that might be.

edit: oh, you....

[Macalaure]

*double-checks rules to make sure there are no cobblers in the game*

Ok, this is perfectly in line with what an ordo-Rikae would do, so that makes me inclined to trust her.

Would a wolf-Rikae do, too? I think my dear old friend Riesling may have the answer.

[Rikae]

Oh man, so far it looks like the living are going to ask us to confirm Nog's role.

Hope they give us an option for Greenie... although knowing it won't do them a whole lot of good.

[the phantom]

Ha ha ha ha!

Even if you're somehow evil you've won my loyalty regardless. I'm willing to lose if my opponent is entertaining.

[the phantom]

Okay then... back to the drawing board...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I just hope the real seer (and Boro looks like a reasonable candidate) has chosen to dream of some quiet ones instead of chatty now-corpses.

Well, he just called Eomer "den-dweller", so... If he is the Seer, hopefully his other dream last night wasn't Mac. It'd be nice if he's paving the way for a reveal with two WWs in hand.