Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

There are two options, Green and Nog.

Rune and Agan- what is your opinion on the matter?

Should we consider the prospect of redundant information? In other words, there isn't a point to checking someone that the Seer has already checked. Thus if Legate is the Seer then Nerwen, Lommy, and Mith are cleared and Green is already dreamed guilty, thus Nog is the obvious choice for our power.

But if the Seer is someone else and Green has not been checked then she may be the best choice.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

I'm not reluctant. Rather, I adamantly refuse to be checked.

Darling, you do realise that isn't how it works. The rest of us are a majority, and so technically if we decided to check you we could, regardless of whether you adamantly refused it or not.

Originally Posted by phantom

(1) I'm an Ordo, and I know I'm an Ordo, and any Wolves that may be on this thread probably think I'm an Ordo. Green seems to think me innocent. I think Agan does too. Checking me would be of little value here.
(2) The Living are highly unlikely to request my identity after the events of yesterday. They'll want Nog and Green both before me. Lommy, Boro, Mac, etc.- there will be enough of them that will write me off as an Ordo.
(3) Look at the lynch I was involved with on the first day. All that I did was drive the Nog-bus which saved Agan, who turned out to be THE HUNTER! It's not as if any Wolfish info can be gathered from the fact that I killed Nog and saved Agan.

I doubt anyone (except maybe Boro) is "writing you off as an innocent" just yet. I'm certainly not. All I said was that I think it's more likely you're innocent. Apart from what read I can get from your posting, it is also true (though this is getting quite meta and therefore not all that reliable) that you are a fairly likely early dream for the Seer, and if the Seer dreamed you it's fairly likely you're not a wolf since we haven't seen anyone claim the contrary. So - I'm guessing you're innocent but I don't trust you yet.

Originally Posted by phantom

So why on earth do you wish to gather information that is both useless and unlikely to be asked for? The very idea of pushing for a check of my identity is preposterous. If you are not a Wolf, then you will have some serious explaining to do after the game, because you are deliberately trying to waste our Night ability. Similar to the way that you, while alive, were deliberately trying to stand in the way of setting up a system for the Dead to pass valuable info to the Living. Now you're trying to throw a wrench into the system from the Dead Thread.

That said, you do have to allow for differences of opinion about what is useful/likely to work/whatever. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a wolf. Also, don't be so surprised we don't trust you - in a game like this we'd be barking mad not to be wary of everyone who isn't a known innocent, and we all know you're clever enough to act as innocently as you're now doing regardless of your role. There. Enough flattery to keep you happy?

As for toNight's vote, I'd prefer Nogrod over myself since I know I'm an ordo and thus checking me definitely won't give us a wolf (though I'm not convinced checking Nog will, either). I do realise the rest of you can't know that, so if you think it's worth your while then by all means check me. Also Legate isn't the Seer, so I'd advise against basing too many schemes on that assumption.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Runne

It is of course completely true that Mr. P. Has a strategic advantage, but is this really reason enough for him to be tonight’s choice? In fact it strikes me as a bit odd that you put so much weight into this advantage... After the rest of us can just do the talking when he is not around, and (hopefully) come to some agreement, leaving TP powerless. Or, if it is all about the strategic advantage (Which will only be an advantage, until a substantial amount of North Americans have been butchered), we could decide to screw up our lives and daily routines by staying up.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you but I'm definitely not staying up until deadline! Also, it's true that the "advantage" of being the only one around at deadline isn't all that significant. If the rest of us have already voted, there isn't much the last person can do to sway the whole thing. And even if there was, I don't see a way it could be done without him revealing his cards at the same time, and thus us knowing his alignment wouldn't prevent it. Does that make sense? It made sense in my head but I'm not sure it's understandable to anyone else.


EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

Darling, you do realise that isn't how it works. The rest of us are a majority, and so technically if we decided to check you we could, regardless of whether you adamantly refused it or not.

What I mean is, I will never admit that it might be a viable idea to check my identity (the way you have admitted it about yourself).

You recognize the tactical situation and that a check of you is a realistic possibility, but that is not the case with me. You may want to check me, you may feel better checking me, but talking about it like it's something we're really going to do is, I insist, very suspicious. Given the Day 1 voting, the fact I was Night-killed, and the presence of a lynch victim and Hunter victim, I am not a real option except as a fruitless distraction.

Originally Posted by Green

Also Legate isn't the Seer, so I'd advise against basing too many schemes on that assumption.

Heh heh, well of course you think he isn't since he called you a Wolf.

Who is the Seer, then? Boro? (dreams possibly Rikae, Shasta, Lommy, Legate)

Or someone just laying low and reluctant to give info....

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Agan

and whatever it means, the wolves didn't react to them (or at least the suspicion I'd garnered weighed more than my potential giftedness)

Yeah, I was a bit worried about you overnight- afraid you may have been a Seer that over did things. I might've actually been able to spot you as a Hunter if it weren't for the fact that I'm unsuited for such a role (I would've done everything possible to avoid using my power, where as you embraced the opportunity to take a shot).

And really the fact they didn't gun for you- that makes me worried about the village, because the Rune kill just didn't make any sense to me. Basically, I'm worried that the Seer will hide quite well but will be killed nonetheless because the pack won't make a logical kill, if you follow...

Anyway, you're the one with the big threatening weapons, so I'd say you'll probably have the final say on our check. Anyone care to shop around for other Seer candidates so that we can avoid redundant information if possible? I can't undertake such a thing until later today.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by phantom

Heh heh, well of course you think he isn't since he called you a Wolf.

Who is the Seer, then? Boro? (dreams possibly Rikae, Shasta, Lommy, Legate)

If you check me toNight you'll agree with me. I know you can't trust me yet, but working from an assumption that Legate is the Seer is a waste of your time and I'd feel guilty not warning you about it.

As for who is the Seer - Boro is a possibility, to be sure, it would also explain why he's been a bit quieter and more cautious than usual. I'm still curious about Sally, but some things don't really add up whether she's a seer or a wolf or a very confused ordo. That's pretty much all I have though, I'm fairly sure morm is innocent but I didn't pick any Seer vibes from him. I'd have to reread to get a better idea.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I might've actually been able to spot you as a Hunter if it weren't for the fact that I'm unsuited for such a role

Come on isn't it enough to start the game by saying I'm not going to the Dead thread alone and killing me has actual consequences? (I left it there in case I died at night along with somebody else.) Other than that I just wanted to get myself killed, even if not the way it actually happened. Which, again, was partly my own fault because I knew what Lommy said wasn't worth overreacting but did it nonetheless. But still, I still think there's something very fishy there.

And really the fact they didn't gun for you- that makes me worried about the village, because the Rune kill just didn't make any sense to me. Basically, I'm worried that the Seer will hide quite well but will be killed nonetheless because the pack won't make a logical kill, if you follow...

I'm curious about tonight's kills. From last night it looks like we have a pack who wants to play it safe, and a pack who is kind of random, but the fact that we don't know their choice means it's difficult to tell, and they might even use their kills to try to frame each other (or individual players).

I hunted Mac last NIGHT (if you're curious, it was sally on NIGHT 1 out of principle, and Lommy on DAY 1), but the main reason I changed it (and voted for Greenie instead of him) was that Rikae was feeling better about him - and me. I'm far from certain but they're (if somebody prefers gender-neutral pronouns it's basic human decency to comply) my likeliest seer suspect (without actually having looked at all their posts with this in mind). I might be biased though just because we've shared a lot of suspects in this game and are quite similar players.

Heh, I love playing werewolf and talking openly about potential seer - rather than wolf - suspects.

[Aganzir]

Greenie seems a more likely wolf to me, but I feel knowing Nog's role for sure would tell us more about other people.

Fewer people said anything definite about her than about him (and let's be honest we don't need to find out more about Legate just yet), so knowing what he is will give us more leads. However, if we use the night to check Nog, I'm worried he'll turn out innocent (we have a history of disagreeing strongly even when innocent), while Greenie could very well be a sneaky wolf who's redoubled her efforts at sneakiness after coming here.

So I'm still not sure.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Heh, I love playing werewolf and talking openly about potential seer - rather than wolf - suspects.

It's a major part of the fun being in the dead thread - you can talk openly about anything and everything - and you do not need to fear being kicked out of the game whatever you say (and quite astonishingly that's probably also one reason why people tend to act pretty civil in here!)

I just hope all the people gave more arguments why they think X or Y should be checked.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Phantom

You may want to check me, you may feel better checking me, but talking about it like it's something we're really going to do is, I insist, very suspicious.

Come on, it is not that suspicious. It is a very normal response to a pompous speech. Your points for not wanting to get checked might be valid, but the form in which they were presented was always likely to get a response. I get that it is part of your persona to make bombastic statements, on almost comical level, but surely you are aware of the influence categorical statements have on people.

Phantom says something megalomaniacal, Greenie retorts by pointing out that he is feeble compared to a collective decision and would be powerless to stop one.

To me this seems to be ordinary stuff, done by the book.