Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Ah, welcome to the Dead Thread, Rune. Similar to Nog, since you didn't lead off with "This is disaster! I'm the Seer!" I will assume you're not vital to the village. If it's true that all three of us are ungifted, then really we should be quite happy to be dead.

Anyway, I'm nearly done with my Day 1 readthrough (putting checks and plus signs and Gifted marks etc. next to names as I read...)

[the phantom]

My re-read of yesterday didn't result in thoughts much different than those I already had. Ah well...

Agan- I was mighty suspicious of those that voted for her (or pushed for her) because she gave off more Gifted signs than anyone else. Yes, yes, I realize that Wolves can give off Gifted signs early (pronounced self-interest, self-focus retaliatory suspicions, etc.), but why risk voting for someone on Day 1 that looks likely to have a role?
I marked seven people for possible Gifteds (Nerwen, Nilp, Sally, Boro, Rune, Mith, Agan, Green), but Agan accumulated 5 marks by the end- way more than anyone else. Not to mention that I, early on as a ploy (before she looked so Gifted-ish), tried to hint at Agan being my Lover. Did those attacking her not catch it, or did they totally see what I did and wanted to kill my Lover?

Anyway, that might've been what tipped the scales for going after Nog- because I thought he was the opportunistic sort that might catch such a signal and look to bump off a Gifted. It's why I thought him more Wolfish than Agan, anyway (and Form certainly looked innocent).

Anyway, a list of the living....

Very positive marks currently-
Rikae
Morm
Mith
Form
Boro
Lommy
Agan

Somewhat positive marks currently-
Nilp
Sally
Nerwen

I'm not certain, mixed signals-
Firefoot
Shasta
Eomer
Mac
Green
McCaber
Legate

Suspicious at the moment-
Lalaith
Loslote
Kath

Any speculation as to why Rune and I were killed? Also, if Agan is the Seer it seems she dreamt Lommy and Firefoot overnight and cleared them (and dreamt me and Legate yesterday- wondered if her Nobel Prize comment was a hint that Leggy had a Gifted role, especially when paired with her comment about the Seer finding a Gifted and then hinting to him).

Anyway, possibly pointless to even be speculating on such things with almost no information, but I can't help myself.

[the phantom]

I hope the Living remember that, if they want us to signal information to them tomorrow, they need to tell us who to examine tonight.

I was sort of operating under the assumption they'd want us to check lynch victims (Nog or today's victim) because that would make the vote possibly telling, but interesting that Nilp is confident that the Dead will vote for me. That seems a bit odd in a way- doesn't the identity of a WW kill yield less information to the village? Thus a WW would be interested in learning the identity of a Night kill because (1) it isn't so helpful to the village, and (2) he wants to know if his night kill was a good one.

So yeah, Nilp could be a sneaky WW. And he could also be a Lover (mainly looking at Sally referring to him as "my darling boy" and even bolding the text).

And of course Nerwen today bolded a "my shining star" at Shasta. So maybe them....?

But then Nerwen and Sally both could've been doing the same thing I was doing- just trying to fake being a Lover as an Ordo in order to attract a Nightkill from the WWs to provide cover for the other Gifteds. Anyway...

[the phantom]

I was hoping to have a conversation before bed, but I guess not.

I'll see you two in a few hours.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I was hoping to have a conversation before bed, but I guess not.

I'll see you two in a few hours.

It is a bit difficult, I am sitting in an office environment, with one of the team-leads sitting directly behind me.

Nilp's certainty that we would check your identity seems odd indeed. It must be an example of a person transferring standard WW-logic to a "mandos-style" game (He sees us as still being active players, and one always feel better by knowing your true identity).

I think that the analysis made in the living thread about my death is spot on. My so called "uneasiness" probably lead the wolves to think that I am gifted. I was aware that this might happen, and though self-preservation is my chief motivator, in this particular game I did not care that much.

I have to admit that I did not pick up on your hints, but then again, if I had been a wolf I would probably have read through the posts in greater detail.

[Nogrod]

So it took me longer I thought to come back here, but well, here we are.

You're most welcome Rune & phantom. Nice to have company.

I haven't yet read tp's analysis or checked the living thread (I just thought to pop up to say hi first), but will do so the next before I need to attend some RL-stuff. I'll be able to play more in the evening (our time).


Just commenting on the few things you've said then (Outside tp's analysis -stuff).

I fully agree with Form looking very much an ordo - and I fully disagree with Aganzir looking like one. I even think it possible some of her packmates actually rescued her from lynching with late-votes.

Does Agan's possible guilt make Lommy any better? Nope. It might actually be wolf-on-wolf (from different packs I'd say).


About checking someone here - I'd still wish not to set anything in stone: there are so different situations that sometimes it's best to check someone lynched and sometimes one Nigh-killed. It depends on which knowledge would be most beneficial to the village - or which accumulated pile of knowledge would be the most beneficial.

I mean let's remember that the best thing we can do is hoping for a lover or a ranger to come over (not too early in the game) and take a neat package of info with her/him back to the living.

All this other "let's give an extra-vote to X so they can interpret our message" is peanuts compared to our real chance of affecting the game.

Btw. that actually lessens my interest in checking the phantom (even I kind of swore I would insist on doing that the first thing you come around! ) - and it might even be them knowing of my innocence might be our best offer (for them to read the voting on D1) - but let's see who joins us toDay before making any hasty conclusions (and anyway, it's a matter for the Night to discuss whom to check among us).

[Nogrod]

Just a short one... I wouldn't say Aganzir looked like a self-confident gifted-scared but like an overconfident wolf-scared. But yeah, these are hard things to tell from one another unless you have more information.