T-I-G CVIII: Wolves of the Galadhrim (Game Thread)

[Coppermirror]

I will have a look at that. It may take a while, though, and I think it'd be a good idea for anybody else who has the time to also look through for clues on their own, since we might pick up on different things.

[Coppermirror]

That's three votes for Kitanna, which means that's it for her now. I'm not done with my analysis of the situation yet, but I'll keep on with it even though it's pointless as far as toDay is concerned and my vote doesn't count, in case the decision toDay was wrong.

Kitanna, if the decision toDay is wrong, what do you think ought to be done toMorrow? Do you suspect anybody in particular?

[Coppermirror]

It is getting pretty late, so I suppose I might as well vote now. May as well make it 5/5 for better or worse.

++Kitanna

[Coppermirror]

Yes, but since the voting's all over with I wasn't in any hurry to finish it up quickly. But I haven't actually found anything useful yet, so if you were hoping to go ahead and have the deadline early I don't mind.

[Nerwen]

Well, I'm going up the street now, so I'll give the result when I
get back. (Probably about half an hour.) Feel free to post in the meantime.

[Coppermirror]

There's no more point in considering Kitanna since if she's a wolf she's about to by lynched anyway, so I'll just look at Rikae, Farael and Lottie.

Day 3

Rikae
- Sceptical of Sally, and (not unreasonably) wanted voting to not go ahead without more details. Considered a lot of fake reveal scenarios.
- Sally finds her attitude about the revealed innocents perturbing, thinking that Rikae could be unhappy about narrowing odds. But if Rikae was a cursed, it actually wouldn't count.

Farael
- Also sceptical of Sally.
- Was quick to vote for Shasta after his "reveal", but if a wolf he would know that Shasta was doomed. So the vote placement, although the one which tipped it into 4 votes and sealed Shasta's fate, is not indicative of guilt or innocence.

Lottie
- Believed Sally and voted pretty quickly, but she had to vote very soon and was busy, so it was sensible. Didn't say much that Day.

Really, Rikae and Farael behaved in similar ways, albeit that Rikae was more aggressively sceptical and Farael was more low-key and voted faster (whereas the votes after his didn't count). I'm not sure what they would usually do as wolves. If I had to pick the more traditionally wolfish behaviour of the two I'd say Farael's, but there's a possibility a Rikae wolf would go for a bold strategy.

Day 4

Rikae and Farael's big argument mostly doesn't seem enlightening. Rikae does something odd in that she suggests that people vote for her, which is something I generally think an innocent should never do and which a wolf may use as a gambit. But then Farael agrees with that and says voting for her sounds like a good idea just because nobody should ever pull such a stunt. Which is also pretty bad...but may have been taking into account that it's not a wise thing for an innocent to do.

Rikae seems to be spending a lot of energy thinking things through, and also finds something which could legitimately be a slip from Lottie. It looks like a pretty genuine effort and thought process, but maybe Rikae is just a clever wolf. And if she's a wolf then she probably wouldn't know the true details of Nimrodel's role so would need to consider them. Farael also has some doubts. They look reasonable too.

And I'm probably about out of time now, so I'll leave it at this. No conclusions reached yet, unfortunately.

[Rikae]

Had to check the game as soon as I woke up.

I just have to say this, because it's bugging me:

No, ordos should definitely not always put their own survival first! An ordo wins when the village wins, so although we generally should try to stay alive, we should prioritize the survival and effectiveness of gifteds over our own survival. Of course a wolf can bluff at doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean it's never legitimate.
Jeez, I thought that was werewolf 101.

Anyway, judging from Kitanna's reaction, we were wrong. I had a bad feeling about it when I cast my vote.

[Rikae]

And also, I don't like it how Farael and Copper are both like "innocents should generally never do this" instead of actually looking at the situation as we knew it at the time. Lazy.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Rikae

No, ordos should definitely not always put their own survival first! An ordo wins when the village wins, so although we generally should try to stay alive, we should prioritize the survival and effectiveness of gifteds over our own survival. Of course a wolf can bluff at doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean it's never legitimate.

It can be a good idea - never is too firm a term - it's just not something that should be jumped to hastily, especially at the point in the game when every ordo counts. Though now I check again it's not as if you were saying "vote for me now!" but "vote for me if Nimrodel doesn't reveal toDay!" which is slightly different. I still don't feel comfortable with that in toDay's context, though.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway, judging from Kitanna's reaction, we were wrong. I had a bad feeling about it when I cast my vote.

I'm still hoping it might have been right. What about her reaction made you think the vote direction was wrong?

Edit: crossed with Rikae

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I'm still hoping it might have been right. What about her reaction made you think the vote direction was wrong?

Edit: crossed with Rikae

Just that if she was a wolf she'd have no reason to deny it anymore when she was already lynched.

[Nerwen]

That took longer than expected, so I may as well wait for the normal DL.

[Nerwen]

The next morning the Elves were more bewildered than ever.

"This is utter insanity!" wailed Kitanna, as they tried to make sense of Galadriel's cryptic last words.

The Lady, it seemed, had thought one of their number might have been seduced into the service of evil- but had she been right?

"I wish I knew what Nimrodel's goals are," Farael muttered, "I'm still not convinced she's wholly on our side."

"We know that Lottie is Nimrodel," said Rikae with assurance, "so hearing from her exactly what she does can only help."

"Huh?" said Farael.

"Why yes, yes I am," announced Lottie with a bow. "Nimrodel, at your service! I killed Aganzir because I knew she was lying- and because she slew my beloved Amroth. Now who wants to help me kill Kitanna?"

"Wait," Rikae's eyes narrowed. "Aganzir... Sally... Kit... Amroth's murderers! Are you on our side- or your own? And then... didn't I catch you whispering to Aganzir? You're not a werewolf, are you?"

Everyone took a step back from Lottie.

"I killed Aganzir, remember? Now come on, everyone, let's lynch Kit!"

"Oh, very well, then," said the Elves. There was, they all agreed, something terribly evil about her, even if they were not sure what. They surrounded the maiden, weapons drawn.

Kitanna faced them proudly, her eyes flashing. "You're all wrong, but it's too late to stop it." She unclasped the leaf-shaped brooch from her cloak, and in a sudden swift movement used the pin to tear open the artery in her wrist.

Not until the blood had ceased to flow from Kitanna's body did they give up waiting for her to change. By then, even the most reluctant had to admit that they had, once again, caused the death of an innocent Elf.

~~~~~~

The Living
Lottie
Farael
Rikae
Coppermirror


The Dead
Nerwen, throat torn out Night One. (Mod).
Tar-Jêx, thrown off a flet Day One. (Ranger/Lover).
Boro, dragged under by a swan-submarine Night Two. (Ordo).
McCaber, choked on lembas Day Two. (Ordo).
Aganzir, shot with bow-and-arrow Night Three. (Werewolf).
Shasta, hanged with Elven rope Day Three. (Werewolf).
Sally, barbecued Night Four. (Seer).
Kitanna, wrists slashed with leaf-brooch Day Four. (Ordo).


It is now Night Five.

[Nerwen]

Rikae woke with a start. At first she was not sure if the fright that had set her heart racing was part of her evil dreams, the sound like faint footfalls just the blood throbbing in her ears. As the mists of sleep cleared, she realised there was indeed someone moving about her talan. Yet, the platform lay clear in the starlight.

She caught a glimpse of movement, a shimmering shadow that did not quite match the background of leaves and tree trunk.

Then she knew: the intruder was wearing one of the hue-shifting cloaks of Lorien.

"Who's there?" she asked uneasily.

With a chuckle, the figure threw back its hood, revealing a hairy lupine snout with glittering fangs.

"Now wouldn't you like to know?" said the werewolf.

"Aiiiee!" Rikae screamed, her cry cut short as the werewolf flung its cloak over her head, holding it tight over her lips and nostrils. The Elf struggled, but she could not match the iron strength of the creature of darkness. Soon she had no more air.

~~~~~~

The Living
Lottie
Farael
Coppermirror


The Dead
Nerwen, throat torn out Night One. (Mod).
Tar-Jêx, thrown off a flet Day One. (Ranger/Lover).
Boro, dragged under by a swan-submarine Night Two. (Ordo).
McCaber, choked on lembas Day Two. (Ordo).
Aganzir, shot with bow-and-arrow Night Three. (Werewolf).
Shasta, hanged with Elven rope Day Three. (Werewolf).
Sally, barbecued Night Four. (Seer).
Kitanna, wrists slashed with leaf-brooch Day Four. (Ordo).
Rikae, smothered with Elven cloak Night Five. (Ordo).


It is now Day Five.

[Coppermirror]

So there's either a cursed-Farael or a cursed-LottieNimrodel. And the wolf must have had a reason for choosing to kill Rikae, but what that reason is I'm not yet sure. If the wolf is Lottie there's a very simple reason why Rikae would be dead, because she was the most openly sceptical of Lottie yesterDay. But that doesn't mean a Farael-wolf couldn't have had some reason to get rid of Rikae too.

Since it's the last Day and Farael's one of the players still around, there's something that's been bothering me which I hope he can answer. I'm sorry to ask about something with a slightly out-of-game basis.

Originally Posted by Farael

I'm really sorry folks. I foolishly assumed there'd be some comment on the Admin thread about the game starting. Since I am subscribed to the thread, I patiently waited for the e-mail to let me know... and missed Day1.

But, for several Days, you failed to go into invisible mode, which means that when you were around, your name was visible when you were present at the Middle Earth Mirth forum. And early on Day 1, around the same time I was reminding Tar-Jêx that he need to go into invisible mode, I saw that your username was listed as present for a while, and then you left and I didn't see your name there at any further point on Day 1. If you were there, why didn't you notice that the game had started? I think it was your username that I saw and not that of somebody else with a similar name.

Also, a question for Lottie...

Originally Posted by Loslote

I was a logical hunter of sorts - the of sorts is because I don't need to die before I can kill, which I at least haven't seen before - but I only got one kill, which I used to take out Agan, both because I was completely sure her Seer reveal was false and because she was responsible for the death of my Beloved Amroth. Of course, my role has changed before (from a typical suicidal Lover to a hunter), so I'm not positive it won't change again, but for now I am, in terms of extra powers and what not, effectively an ordo right now.

Is there anything else about your role that you haven't mentioned yet? And from the above, it looks as if your role changed from plain Lover to one-shot Hunter upon Amroth's death - am I reading that right?

I'm going to sleep now, so I won't be back for a while.

[Farael]

Well, before the game started, I checked my settings and I THOUGHT I was set to invisible mode. I don't remember what setting it was that got me confused. As to why I appeared online when I wasn't... no idea. I likely left a tab open on my phone or computer!

Interesting how Copper , who was dreamed about the night that there was no kill, is going on the offensive very quickly toDay. Need I remind you that I was dreamed about AFTER you, on a night that someone was killed by the wolves?

[Coppermirror]

I ended up staying up a little later after all. Really going off to sleep after posting this. (What am I doing being up past 3AM...good grief.)

Originally Posted by Farael

Interesting how Copper , who was dreamed about the night that there was no kill, is going on the offensive very quickly toDay. Need I remind you that I was dreamed about AFTER you, on a night that someone was killed by the wolves?

I don't know which of you and Lottie is the final wolf. Of course I'm going to ask both of you questions straight away if I have any questions to ask.

You're saying that you're a Seer-confirmed innocent who was dreamed of the Night after the no-kill Night? That's not true. You were the person who was dreamed of on the no-kill Night, and I was dreamed of on the Night before that one.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Known roles:
Shasta (wolf)
Copper (ordo)
Farael (ordo)
Sally (seer, duh)

Unknown roles:
Lottie
Rikae
Kitanna

In case anyone cares, the dreams are listed above in order.

So...
Night 1, Sally dreamed of Shasta.

Night 2, Sally dreamed of me.

Night 3, Sally dreamed of Farael. On this night, Nimrodel hunted Agan, and there was no wolf kill.

Unless I'm mistaken, that's the order of events. We also have confirmation from Nerwen that if there was a cursed who was turned on Night 3, the cursed would not show up to Sally as a wolf.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I ended up staying up a little later after all. Really going off to sleep after posting this. (What am I doing being up past 3AM...good grief.)



I don't know which of you and Lottie is the final wolf. Of course I'm going to ask both of you questions straight away if I have any questions to ask.

You're saying that you're a Seer-confirmed innocent who was dreamed of the Night after the no-kill Night? That's not true. You were the person who was dreamed of on the no-kill Night, and I was dreamed of on the Night before that one.



So...
Night 1, Sally dreamed of Shasta.

Night 2, Sally dreamed of me.

Night 3, Sally dreamed of Farael. On this night, Nimrodel hunted Agan, and there was no wolf kill.

Unless I'm mistaken, that's the order of events. We also have confirmation from Nerwen that if there was a cursed who was turned on Night 3, the cursed would not show up to Sally as a wolf.

My apologies. I was counting night one as the night after the first Lynch :$ I haven't played in a while...

So then the question is, once more, what is Lottie 's true tile?

[Coppermirror]

Back and reading.

[Loslote]

I dunno. I haven't found anything really incriminating, no evil slips or definitive wolfy votes, but I do feel much worse about Farael than I do about Cop - his voting patterns have been iffy, and his argument with Rikae yesterDay, followed by his defensive tone toDay, I think push him over the edge of suspicious. I'll probably be voting for Farael, but I'll wait a bit, read through another couple times, see if I catch anything more conclusive.

[Coppermirror]

Well, Farael's vote means that my only option is to vote for him and hope that Lottie's the innocent, since if she isn't she's already won anyway. Might as well place my vote now.

++Farael

[Loslote]

Alright. I'll go ahead and vote for

++Farael

and hope we're right. It's about fifty-fifty anyway, so...there could be worse odds?

[Coppermirror]

(a)

♪
Oh terror, doom, for Nimrodel hath a wolven snout and razor jaws!
Once beloved of our ruler, that fair elf-maid is no more.
We are betrayed by her; and thus our blood will soak the mallorn.
Farael first, and then I too will fail to reach the dawn.

Galadriel's dreams were true and certain;
Yet still we lost to foolish diversions,
And thus will pay a heavy price for sweet Lothlorien.
♪

(b)

♪
Let the Night hold no fears in Lothlorien;
May no wolves creep out from their loathsome dens.
Every leaf in this golden wood sings joy,
And no longer shall we doubt and seek out ploys.

Pitiful Farael, cursed and transformed,
His elven-form lost, can ne'er be reformed.
Though what has been done cannot be undone,
We may sing of the fallen here under the sun.
♪

[Nerwen]

(a).

Sorry, Cop.

[Loslote]

For what did I linger in this accursed place? For what did I languish in these putrid woods? For what did I tolerate living amongst warmongers and hawks, always seeking out new battles to fight? Nay, indeed, for who, Galadhrim, for who! I lingered only for Amroth, for my Love, my King! And you have slaughtered him you have cut down your King when all he sought was to protect you. All his hope lay only in wishing to guide his people safely through this evil, and instead, you fools have destroyed the only good thing you have ever had to boast of - and out of what? Fear? Greed? Anger? No! Only out of haste! He was condemned within seconds, a sudden betrayal none could have stayed once it was decided. Fie! Fie on all the Galadhrim! My rage shall know no bounds, my fury shall be endless, my wrath shall be remembered into the ages to come! The Galadhrim shall know the sting of my hate, shall feel my pain and shall know, for generations to come, the weight of the injustice they have done to their King and Protector.

Sing, Galadhrim, of the rage of Nimrodel, that brought countless ills upon the Golden Wood! For indeed, I will have my vengeance against the people of Lorien, I will exact my revenge upon you all! Every single Sindar elf shall perish at my hand, and every wolf as well, all cut down mercilessly for their crimes against their King and my Beloved! I have shot the fell wolf Aganzir where she stood, and watched the life fade from her eyes. The very wolf who bit me, turned me, gave me the power I needed, Shasta, dark demon wolf of the north, I saw him dead ere the sun set, saw him hanged with the slippery, foul rope of the Sindar weavers. I roasted the noble lady Galadriel, proud beyond her deserts, as she slept at night, thinking herself secure in the bed she built on the land of another’s people. I saw Kitanna dead, convinced the foolish elves of Lorien that she was to blame, until even Kitanna herself admitted defeat and surrendered her life to the halls of Mandos. I smothered Rikae in her own elven cloak, forced her spirit to flee from her using cloth of her own make, reeking of the Sindar pollution. And now shall fall, too, Farael and Coppermirror, their blood joining that of their fellow elves, a river of life-blood which shall cleanse this wood from the poison of the Sindar elves.

All have felt the sting of my vengance! All have born the weight of my pain! All of Lorien now knows the price that must be paid for slaughtering their own king, the only good thing these elves ever had to boast of, and have learned the folly of their ways! This lesson, indeed, they will not soon forget, and nor shall the Silvan elves, who will remember, always, that these interlopers who have dwelt so long by the seas they have become soaked and salted with its waters, and have taken into themselves its tumultuous crashing and violence, its war-fever and eternal tumult, this pestilence cannot and will not be born by our people, and will be wiped from Middle-Earth for all eternity to come!

[Coppermirror]

Ah well. I had a bad feeling it might be that one. I'd better grab my harp! Sorry for being late toDay and leaving Farael to make the decision on his own.

Excellent rant, Lottie!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Ah well. I had a bad feeling it might be that one. I'd better grab my harp! Sorry for being late toDay and leaving Farael to make the decision on his own.

Excellent rant, Lottie!

I've been sitting on that one for so long, you have no idea.

[Nerwen]

Standing in the shallows of her eponymous river as dusk fell, Nimrodel beat Farael to death with the oar of an Elven boat, aided by Coppermirror. Blood eddied out from Farael's broken body, staining the once crystalline waters of the River Nimrodel an angry crimson.

"He, er... doesn't look like he's going to change..." Coppermirror observed doubtfully.

"No," said Nimrodel, "but I am."

With that, her fair shape underwent a swift and hideous transformation, while Coppermirror could only look on in disbelief.

"Nimrodel! Why?"

"Why?" Wolf-Nimrodel snarled, baring her long white fangs. "I'll tell you why!"

And she did.

Seizing her chance as the werewolf paused for breath at the end of her long rant, Coppermirror turned to flee, but the monster was after her in an instant. With a leap, Wolf-Nimrodel came crashing onto the Elf-maid's shoulders, knocking her flat to the ground, where she proceeded to tear her limb from limb.

Raising her blood-dripping muzzle to the sky, she who had been Nimrodel howled in triumph and despair at the evening stars.

~~~~~~

The Living
Lottie, Nimrodel the Cursed Lover. (Werewolf).

The Dead
Nerwen, throat torn out Night One. (Mod).
Tar-Jêx, thrown off a flet Day One. (Ranger/Lover).
Boro, dragged under by a swan-submarine Night Two. (Ordo).
McCaber, choked on lembas Day Two. (Ordo).
Aganzir, shot with bow-and-arrow Night Three. (Werewolf).
Shasta, hanged with Elven rope Day Three. (Werewolf).
Sally, barbecued Night Four. (Seer).
Kitanna, wrists slashed with leaf-brooch Day Four. (Ordo).
Rikae, smothered with Elven cloak Night Five. (Ordo).
Farael, beaten to death with oar Day Five. (Ordo).
Coppermirror, torn apart by werewolf Day Five. (Ordo).

Game over. Wolves win. Nimrodel wins. Lovers lose. (You work it out...)

[Coppermirror]

Excellent narrations throughout the game, Nerwen!

Cursed Lover seems like a pretty fun role. I wonder if any other games have had one before?

[Nerwen]

As far as I know, this is the first.

[Farael]

Sigh... what heart break... my hopes were that a cursed lover would just be too unrealistic. I spent AlL GAME saying I didn't trust the Lover-Nimrodel completely... but I thought they would've had a non wolf role and I dunno... ugh.

Good game though! It was nice to get back into WW

[Rikae]

I knew it.

I came so close to voting for Lottie on my last day - in fact, I only voted Kitanna because I thought there was a chance that even if Lottie was the "wolf", that would trigger a win. And, Farael and Copper, why didn't my death make it obvious? I would have been the easiest lynch on the last day, but Lottie could have expected me to vote for her.

Great setup, Nerwen!