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Gruesome Spectre
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As it should be. To me a visualization of the face of Morgoth (and for that matter, Sauron) is entirely counterproductive. Fear of the unknown is much more effective generally than a hard point of reference. When you're talking about the ultimate Tolkien personification of Evil, what outside the mind of the reader could possibly do it justice?
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Pile O'Bones
Join Date: Jan 2014
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I always pictured Morgoth as someone "beautiful" when he walked among elves as the... god damn it I can't remember the phrase, but something like the giver of gifts. But then, when he lost the ability to appear as he wished (after the fall of Numenor?) I picture him as someone quite ugly, repulsive even, to the normal free folk.
But that is just the picture I painted in my mind, nothing else. |
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Melkor was grandiose. His helmet, as the Morgoth, was so heavy Beren could not lift it [Lays of Belereiand, 8.4136-4137], and he had a scar and limp [12.3604-09, 3615-3617, 3632-3634]. I agree that terrible does not necessarily mean he had an ugly countenance. Melkor's physical form in the beginning is described as:
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Pile O'Bones
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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Feb 2014
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I imagine he would have been incredibly handsome (given the vanity) while he was still able to take fair form, before going off to Angband. The archetypal 'bad boi' appeal, or equivalent 'elfy' variation. Seducer, conman, appeals to narcissism to groom. He would have been very creepy at gatherings--flirting or implying such across boundaries of propriety.
Perverse, sexually, as is implied by citations indicationg cross-species couplings. Orcs multiplied quickly. And according to the mode of the children of illuvatar. After his transition, not sure what was left of objectively handsome. |
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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I don't know that his permanent form was not good looking.
"he put on again the form that he had worn as the tyrant of Utumno: a dark Lord, tall and terrible. In that form he remained ever after." [Simarillion, ch. 8] It seems his other servants tended to have a terrible air about them as well.
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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I think Morgoth's other servants had a terrible air about them because he was deliberately trying to make them degraded and vulgar.
Of course, maybe that means that he made himself look that way too. Quote:
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