WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Err, I'm hoping this is just great minds think alike because that's my thoughts exactly up to the point that it's creepy. Well, whatever happens toDay, toMorrow will be interesting no doubt.

My thoughts exactly...

Although I'd add the factor I mentioned earlier, which is, that if we get it wrong toDay toMorrow will not be first and foremost interesting but rather scary...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Although I'd add the factor I mentioned earlier, which is, that if we get it wrong toDay toMorrow will not be first and foremost interesting but rather scary...

As long as we don't lynch any of the gifteds it should still be decent.

Anyway, I think it's my bedtime, so

++Sally

Considering both yesterDay's vote and Greenie's death, I think it's the logical choice.

[Nogrod]

The voting so far...

Copper -> Sally
Boro -> Lottie
Kath -> Kitanna


My view of things: the wolves killed Greenie on the grounds she was the most probable seer-candidate (aka. Sally is a wolf). Then toDay Kitanna has been consistently downplaying that interpretation by both promoting the idea that Greenie's death was a no trace kill and that Sally is more innocent than not - and she has been very active toDay trying to find any other candidates to replace the suspicions on Sally (and herself).

A good villager also takes an open-eyed look at as many others as s/he can... and like in every game; anyone you look at the right way looks suspicious - or if you are a wolf, you can make anyone look suspicious.

So unless someone comes with something that really challenges my basic idea that I think actually has some merit, then I'm going to vote for Sally.


EDIT: X'd with Lommy...

[Nogrod]

My bedtime as well (2AM).

++ Sally


Copper -> Sally
Boro -> Lottie (1)
Kath -> Kitanna (1)
Lommy -> Sally
Nog -> Sally (3)

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My view of things: the wolves killed Greenie on the grounds she was the most probable seer-candidate (aka. Sally is a wolf). Then toDay Kitanna has been consistently downplaying that interpretation by both promoting the idea that Greenie's death was a no trace kill and that Sally is more innocent than not - and she has been very active toDay trying to find any other candidates to replace the suspicions on Sally (and herself).

You must think me a mighty foolish wolf to so blatantly defend Sally as a packmate.

I don't know if Sally is actually guilty, but I know I'm not. And I don't think Sally is a foolish enough wolf to night kill someone who leads to clearly to her. So I'm not sold on her being guilty right now.

You on the other hand...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

You must think me a mighty foolish wolf to so blatantly defend Sally as a packmate.

I don't know if Sally is actually guilty, but I know I'm not. And I don't think Sally is a foolish enough wolf to night kill someone who leads to clearly to her. So I'm not sold on her being guilty right now.

Yes. Yes, that exactly. Everyone keeps insisting that Greenie was a Seer kill, and I don't buy it at all. If she was a Seer kill, it was a dumb move on the wolves' part - if she was a Seer kill, then the wolf would have to be Sally, and we all know that. It's obvious. It would be the most obvious Night kill a wolf could make, and I do not think Sally would have done it. You know what it could have been? An easy frame. I mentioned Cop earlier as potentially having killed Greenie during the Night with the intention of using that death to frame Sally earlier - it looks like that argument could apply to Nog and maybe even Lommy as well.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Everyone keeps insisting that Greenie was a Seer kill, and I don't buy it at all. If she was a Seer kill, it was a dumb move on the wolves' part - if she was a Seer kill, then the wolf would have to be Sally, and we all know that. It's obvious. It would be the most obvious Night kill a wolf could make, and I do not think Sally would have done it. You know what it could have been? An easy frame.

I agree there is a chance the Night kill was a framing (I did actually suggest that scenaro myself earlier) - but Kitanna's consistent defence of Sally / suggestions it was a no-trace kill keeps me thinking it's more likely it wasn't.

But just hold on a minute. If Sally is a wolf (as I think she is), what other options did the wolves have? "Yeah, let's not kill Greenie-seer so that she can find out about us others or pronounce her dream in no uncertain terms on D2, as killing her would compromise the safety of one of us"?

And I don't think "everyone" is thinking Greenie was a seer-kill, but the wolves sure would be feeling like that...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But just hold on a minute. If Sally is a wolf (as I think she is), what other options did the wolves have? "Yeah, let's not kill Greenie-seer so that she can find out about us others or pronounce her dream in no uncertain terms on D2, as killing her would compromise the safety of one of us"?

Why would the wolves have thought she was a Seer at all? She didn't talk like a Seer. If anything, if she were a Seer, I'd read her vote post as saying in giant neon letters, "I DIDN'T DREAM SALLY THIS IS NOT A DREAM":

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I really need to get some sleep now (just when things are getting interesting, how typical). I don't feel comfortable voting anyone at this point given how little has happened, but I'd feel even less comfortable abstaining. The only thing that's caught my eye so far is nothing but a hunch, but here it is -

...

Something rubs me the wrong way here, maybe it's this being the only comment she makes on the whole Maniac issue in a post otherwise comprised of banter. Safely noncommittal, leaving ends open, casually concerned but not really. Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing, so

[*highlight]++ Sally[/highlight*]

Good night!

"Nothing but a hunch" "I don't feel comfortable voting, but I'd feel less comfortable abstaining" "Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing" These are not the things a Seer would say if she had dreamed a wolf. These are things a Seer would say if she wanted to make sure, if she died overNight, no one would think she'd dreamed this person. I in no way find this adequate reason to kill Sally.

[Nogrod]

I was just closing my computer and saw this.

Lottie: you should check my post #112 for a fuller discussion of that issue.

To put it short: it is the odd, standing-out and out of the blue "Something there?" in a list post (first post) by Greenie, followed by a vote with excuses that makes it look seerish - not the vote post you refer to - that makes the scenario likely.

Read the thread people. Please.

Good night.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

You must think me a mighty foolish wolf to so blatantly defend Sally as a packmate.

You didn't do it "blatantly". Kind of the contrary. You did it quite carefully, bit by bit - but consistently. Read your posts from the beginning of the Day (before you started searching for other candidates - piling a nice amount of analysis of other people trying to make a case for them in hopes of us turning our eyes from Sally).

I might be wrong about you. But it doesn't remove the case on Sally... Even if I do think you two have a connection, because of your posts toDay.

I don't know if Sally is actually guilty, but I know I'm not. And I don't think Sally is a foolish enough wolf to night kill someone who leads to clearly to her.

That doesn't make me suspect you two less. On the contrary. The exact attitude , the view-point, you have there, looks very much like that of a wolf in distress for her mate.

It's not foolish to do away with a possible seer even if it costs one of the pack . but it is a bit foolish to stick to defend your mate...

[Kitanna]

++Nogrod

I feel like you have been gunning for me since this game started. However today you (and Lommy) are working overtime to throw as much suspicions as you can on Sally and I. And to a lesser extent Nerwen. Why? Because of our interactions? Same can be said of the two of you.

It looks too much like you trying to push Sally out there. Maybe you're in cahoots with her and she sacrifices herself to help make you look good, to show everyone we can trust you. It looks extremely fishy to me that you have become fixated on Sally and I (and Lommy is guilty of this as well). To the point where you have barely bothered to look at anyone else. Unless you've had a dream or your're a wolf no ordo can be so sure they've made the right choice until their suspect is dead.

Also you accuse me of

and she has been very active toDay trying to find any other candidates to replace the suspicions on Sally (and herself).

So you're accusing me of playing the game? Because all I did was list suspects and follow through on what I thought of them. How nefarious of me.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lottie: you should check my post #112 for a fuller discussion of that issue.

To put it short: it is the odd, standing-out and out of the blue "Something there?" in a list post (first post) by Greenie, followed by a vote with excuses that makes it look seerish - not the vote post you refer to - that makes the scenario likely.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now that is something that stands apart from Greenie's first post which has comments on all the players. Now the formula of making a list on the very first post is among other things a seerish thing to do: if I'm dead the next Day you can go back to my first post and find my dream from there.

Clearly Greenie wasn't the seer, but that first post alone might have alarmed the wolves if Sally is a wolf. And well, she also voted Sally...

Although, her vote comes with a lot of second-guessing: So if Sally is a wolf they are pretty nervous - and so even the way Greenie framed her vote in all this "don't feel comfortable" and "flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing" has been interpreted by them as a seer trying to cover her knowledge.

Okay. There's your post #112 (the relevant bits, anyway). Making a list is Seerish? Enough to get her killed? I don't think so. Anyway, if she were making a Seer List Post, I think she'd have committed more than just "Something there?". Something there says to me, "That caught my eye. Better watch her" not "SHE'S A WOLF I DReAMED IT". And a Seer trying to cover her knowledge? Right. So what you're saying is, "I know it doesn't look like she looked like a Seer but the wolves thought she was a Seer BECAUSE she didn't look like a Seer you know what I'm saying" and I really do think you're trying to frame Sally at this point, because this is just too weak an argument, especially from you. So...

++Nog

[Loslote]

Copper -> Sally
Boro -> Lottie (1)
Kath -> Kitanna (1)
Lommy -> Sally
Nog -> Sally (3)
Kitanna -> Nog
Lottie -> Nog (2)

Left to vote: Sally, Nerwen, and Shasta.

[satansaloser2005]

I am beyond exhausted today. I doubt I'll completely catch up with the thread, but I'll do what I can. Hopefully I'll be back soon. *twitches*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Alright. From what little I've been able to read, I'm seeing Nogrod saying there's a connection between Kitanna and Sally and Kit defending herself.

Sally is in the lead with three votes. However, I knew she wasn't going to be around today and I don't have time at the moment to delve into why there are votes on her. Kit I remember being a bit suspicious of yesterday, and voting her will tie her with Nog for second.

Reasoning - I don't want to vote Nogrod because I haven't been able to read about him at all, and I don't want to vote for Sally for the same reason (plus lynching her on a day she was going to be gone feels a bit opportunistic). The only one of the three current candidates I can in good conscience vote for is Kitanna.

++Kitanna

I'll be much more active toMorrow, should I be alive. Good luck, village.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My view of things: the wolves killed Greenie on the grounds she was the most probable seer-candidate (aka. Sally is a wolf). Then toDay Kitanna has been consistently downplaying that interpretation by both promoting the idea that Greenie's death was a no trace kill and that Sally is more innocent than not - and she has been very active toDay trying to find any other candidates to replace the suspicions on Sally (and herself).

Just to clarify if someone missed it...

Why Kitanna's defence of Sally or the repeated suggesting that the wolves killed Sally for a random no-trace -reasons toDay matters? Well, she really puts a lot of effort to say that - and that's exactly what a fellow wolf would do knowing what they did during the Night and seeing people getting suspicious about exactly that.

So it kind of speaks for the guilt of Sally- but even if I'm wrong about it (Kit just is consistently and deliberately thinking that Sally is the innocent person here and needs to be defended, even if somwewhat subtly to begin with = early Day) Sally still looks suspicious because of the Night-kill.

EDIT: X'd with Kitanna