WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Kath]

Greenie's death:

Post 1: Found sally unsettling (I still think this was clearly explained afterwards). Feels that Kitanna posted substance even though she didn't really. Pleased that Boro is on topic. Confused by Legate. Little to say on anyone else.

Post 2 : Offers defence of Nerwen. Ah, I think this post might hold the key. She talks about how to impersonate a maniac, because of course they would want to be Night killed to best help the village. Maybe the wolves were playing the odds. Lose a wolf but get rid of the maniac now. Or hoping for a bluff.

Post 3: Continued discussion of the maniac.

Post 4: Continued discussion, but also decides Lommy looks innocent.

Post 5: Also confused by Legate! Votes sally for her earlier suspicion.

Well then. Nerwen and Lommy are the names that came up here so keep an eye on them toDay I suppose.

[Kath]

Day 2:
Cop - feels Greenie was a trailless kill. Could be, though I think the maniac discussion was probably involved. Doesn't see anything suspicious about the votes, but immediately follows with being most likely to vote sally with no explanation. Feels Kitanna and Nerwen wouldn't have shown such clear unhappiness with sally having votes if they were her packmates - fair. Votes sally for: Sally: Her reasoning on Day 1 seemed fine to me, and nothing pinged me about her tone. But, if Greenie was killed because of sounding Seerish, what she said about Sally looks the most likely. I disagree with Lommy; I don't think Greenie's wording was clear about exonerating Boro. Hmm.

Lommy - thinks Greenie's tone may have suggested giftedness, thus the kill. Then finds suggestions the wolves may have thought her the Seer, with fair reasoning. Also reached the conclusion that sally is an interesting kettle of fish. Feels it would be unlikely for sally and Nerwen to both be wolves. But doesn't like the odd trio of sally, Nerwen and Kitanna that is circling toDay.

Boro - thinks Nerwen's question about how sally got 2 votes was odd, rather clearing sally in opposition to Lommy's suspicion. Doesn't like Nog's vote as he doesn't get the reasoning. I see where Nog got the reasoning from, so this didn't strike me as oddly as it does Boro. Offers a theory that Lottie knew the three names in the voting were innocent as she didn't want to add votes to them. Says Kitanna and sally voted in the interest of self preservation. And yes, they did, but neither of them made that clear which was odd. Votes Lottie based on his earlier reasoning.

Lottie - thinks Greenie was just a safe kill.

Kitanna - thinks Lottie, Lommy, sally and Cop had suspicious votes. Ends up only mildly suspicious of sally. Feels Lottie is too careful.

Nerwen - suddenly defensive.

Nog - says Kitanna's suspicion of those who suspect sally makes sally look suspicious. Thinks Nerwen's defence of sally is too bold for wolf on wolf.

Right. Checking over any extra posts, reading my own words, then voting.

[Kath]

Also Nog - it's always going to be lots of posts in a rush from me so just hang in there!

[Kath]

From yesterDay, I think Kitanna and sally's votes are suspicious. They are both clearly self preservation votes and this is acceptable as an innocent, and understandable as a wolf. What I find odd is that neither of them actually admitted to that.

That Nog changed his suspicions through the Day made me feel happier about my early wonderings about him.

From my look at Greenie I think Lommy and Nerwen bear watching, but neither has leapt out as suspicious toDay to me.

Would really still like to know about double lynches as I feel that would have had a strong influence yesterDay on sally and Kitanna's voting.

And I rather feel that lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information here as a result.

There are already votes for Lottie and sally, so I will add the third name to the mix.

++Kitanna

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Would really still like to know about double lynches as I feel that would have had a strong influence yesterDay on sally and Kitanna's voting.

Kath dear, let me quote the rules on the admin thread:

In the event of a tie vote, the last player receiving the total is eliminated.

[Thinlómien]

Which is something I haven't really considered - it suddenly makes it a lot less risky for wolf-on-wolf voting in the last minutes if the situation is even enough and the voted wolf hasn't still voted herself. I might or might not be talking about Nerwen and Sally.

[Thinlómien]

Since you guys are quiet I will go away and think outside the box. I think I've been way too fixated on three people toDay and others have escaped my attention. With my luck Sally, Nerwen and Kitanna are all innocent and in truth we have some Nogrod-Boro-Coppermirror conspiracy.

[Nogrod]

The Sally - Kitanna + someone - scenario looks to me the most believable right now. And I'm actually willing to check on that one, with a bit more confidence on Sally's guilt than Kit's - but they'd easily fit with the same plot.

In case that backfires I'd really think Boro and Lommy might be the other story - with someone like Copper filling the third place then? But that would be a totally new scenario...

EDIT: managed to X with Lommy's last one... Nice to see the mutual ponderings for new scenarios.

[Loslote]

Alright, I'm back, and should be here until DL.

Originally Posted by Kath

From yesterDay, I think Kitanna and sally's votes are suspicious. They are both clearly self preservation votes and this is acceptable as an innocent, and understandable as a wolf. What I find odd is that neither of them actually admitted to that.

That Nog changed his suspicions through the Day made me feel happier about my early wonderings about him.

From my look at Greenie I think Lommy and Nerwen bear watching, but neither has leapt out as suspicious toDay to me.

Would really still like to know about double lynches as I feel that would have had a strong influence yesterDay on sally and Kitanna's voting.

And I rather feel that lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information here as a result.

There are already votes for Lottie and sally, so I will add the third name to the mix.

[*highlight]++Kitanna[/highlight*]

So this caught my eye as being...off. I don't know Kath's playing style very well, but this post of hers came off as being at once flippant - "they are both clearly self preservation votes", "I rather feel lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information" - and, at the same time, almost grasping at suspicions. For one thing, her suspicions about Kit and Sally are flimsy at best, but she phrases them as though they're simple and clean-cut and obvious. She mentions Nog, Nerwen, and Lommy, but doesn't actually say anything about them - basically a "I thought they might be suspicious but I don't know" kind of statement that doesn't do anyone much good. I'm not at all happy with this vote, and Kath has definitely jumped to the top of my list.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Kath

Says Kitanna and sally voted in the interest of self preservation. And yes, they did, but neither of them made that clear which was odd. Votes Lottie based on his earlier reasoning.

I missed a lot of posts while rereading the thread for my long post at the end of the day. I didn't realize it was a vote of self-preservation at the time. Not that changes anything. I still would have voted Legate since I wasn't convinced of Sally's guilt.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

I disagree with Lommy; I don't think Greenie's wording was clear about exonerating Boro.

It wasn't exactly clear, but it was the clearest. I think the only other one she thought more innocent than not was me, and there she changed her opinion after I backtracked on my maniac plan. Anyway, I still think the same as in the beginning of the Day: that given Greenie's death and yesterDay's vote, we should look really hard at Sally. I have yet to see a better lynch option for toDay, however much my gut-feeling keeps flip-flopping on her.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I'll (hopefully) have some content up before DL tonight, but I'll understand if you guys feel it would be better to modkill/replace me.

As long as you honestly try to post and you manage to vote, I think it's ok. Everybody is busy sometimes (this village is just so small that quiet people make me paranoid).

edit: xed with Kitanna and Kath... hmm.

[Coppermirror]

D1 votes:

Greenie-innocent --> Sally (1)
Legate-innocent --> Boro (1)
Lommy --> Sally (2)
Nog --> Kitanna (1)
Boro --> Lommy (1)
Lottie-innocent --> Legate-innocent (1)
Cop --> Legate-innocent (2)
Nerwen --> Kitanna (2)
Kitanna --> Legate-innocent (3)
Sally --> Legate-innocent (4)

Non-voters: Kath, Shasta

D2 votes:

Cop --> Sally (1)
Boro --> Lottie-innocent (1)
Kath --> Kitanna (1)
Lommy --> Sally (2)
Nog-innocent --> Sally (3)
Kitanna --> Nog-innocent (1)
Lottie-innocent --> Nog-innocent (2)
Shasta --> Kitanna (2)
Sally --> Nog-innocent (3)
Nerwen --> Nog-innocent (4) (late)

Non-voters: nobody.

Right, I'll start by looking at just the votes without context, then I'll go and read what happened yesterDay in more detail.

The pattern of the days has gone similarly, with a cluster of scattered first votes within which Sally is the only one to get a second vote at first, at the tail end of which a single vote is cast for the person who will eventually get lynched, followed by a second vote for that person and a second vote for Kitanna, then two more votes for the person who gets lynched.

On Day 1, the one who cast the vote that got Legate lynched was Kitanna, and at the time she was in danger from a three way tie between her, Sally and Legate. To save herself, she had to break the tie, and chose Legate over Sally.

On Day 2, the one who cast the vote that got Nog lynched was Sally. To attempt to save herself by creating a tie, her options were Kitanna and Nog, and she chose Nog over Kitanna.

The only person who has voted for the same person twice was Lommy. So the overall pattern has been so similar on both days that unless Sally and Kitanna are both wolves, which at a guess is unlikely, I'm not sure what can be learned from it divorced of context. It would be interesting to look back over some past games to see if the same pattern gets repeated often.

And...I see as I write this that Kitanna's just revealed as a possible Maniac.

Edit: crossed since Nerwen at #162.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

The only person who has voted for the same person twice was Lommy. So the overall pattern has been so similar on both days that unless Sally and Kitanna are both wolves, which at a guess is unlikely, I'm not sure what can be learned from it divorced of context. It would be interesting to look back over some past games to see if the same pattern gets repeated often.

You mean we should spend hours toDay reading through multiple past games to see if… wait… what will it show, exactly, even if the same pattern does get repeated?

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You mean we should spend hours toDay reading through multiple past games to see if… wait… what will it show, exactly, even if the same pattern does get repeated?

No, I don't. I couldn't find much of interest in the vote placement in the game so far; I just find it interesting that the same pattern happened twice (that is, the pattern, not the specific people placing votes). I wouldn't mind looking up the vote placement in earlier games out of curiosity someday to see if it happens a lot, but it wouldn't be relevant to this game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It's entirely possible that I missed something, but I was under the impression that the Maniac didn't know they were the Maniac. Am I wrong here?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

It's entirely possible that I missed something, but I was under the impression that the Maniac didn't know they were the Maniac. Am I wrong here?

No, Zil changed that.

In other news, I should have said we’re now 6:3, not 5:3– I was leaving myself out and thinking there were only eight players left.

But it would still make it 4:3 toNight if Maniac Kit were to take any innocent with her, and certain defeat if that innocent were the Ranger. Those aren’t great odds.

EDIT: No, we’re 5:3, and there are only eight players– I’d been looking at the Day 3 list instead of Night 3. So back to: *any* innocent killed is fatal.

[Nerwen]

The Kit Situation

We are now 5:3.

1. Kit is a wolf and we lynch her.
We will be 5:2 toNight. The real Maniac and Ranger will be still alive.
1. a.) The Ranger makes a save toNight. We are still 5:2 toMorrow.
1. b.) The Ranger fails the save. We are 4:2 toMorrow.
1. c.) The real Maniac (having kept quiet) is Night-killed, taking down a wolf. We are 4:1 toMorrow.

2. Kit is the Maniac and we lynch her.
1. a) She takes down a wolf. We are 4:2 toNight.
1. b) She takes down an innocent. We are 3:3 toNight, thus dead.

EDIT:fixed numbers.