WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Kitanna]

Lommy

Post 1: Banter which includes a list of predictions about how D1 will go.

Post 2: Asks for maniac clarification, saw the role as a randomized version of the hunter.

Post 3: Puts out the idea of a maniac reveal so the village has a known innocent.

Post 4: Is clarifies on her worst case scenario from her proposed plan. Meaning

by "toDay we lynch two innocents" I mean that we lynch an innocent who takes another innocent with him/her - and by the way the maniac might even take a wolf with him/her.

Post 5: After Greenie asks if it is worth it have a known innocent rather than catching a wolf as a random take down at night, Lommy backs away from her idea. Says to scratch her plan, but of course it is up to the maniac to reveal or not.

Post 6: More talk on the maniac. Says

Agreed, although a known innocent the wolves can't kill is a definite asset especially towards the end of the game and could be the tie-breaker.

but also says wolves probably wouldn't sacrifice one of theirs just for a known innocent.

Post 7: Responds to some of Legate's ideas/scenarios on if a maniac reveals. Also agrees with Sally that keeping the maniac around for longer is going to be a bigger threat as the game progresses.

Post 8:

I need to vote soon too, and I would be mostly going by gut-feeling this early. I might follow Greenie's vote on Sally (I seem to have noticed that Sally has this "friendly and reasonable" vibe whenever she's guilty and there's a bit of that now), or Nerwen, who also just seems a bit wrong somehow, like detached. But seriously I have no idea. The ones I atm think that are innocent are Kitanna and Greenie, again gut-feeling or tone of posts mostly.

Up until this point she hadn't said much about anyone, other than to agree or disagree with points about her idea of having the maniac reveal. Nothing much, same as many others, just vague feelings as to their suspects.

Post 9: Votes Sally. Says

As I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty more lynch candidates toDay, I will not make the list longer. So I vote

She had mentioned a vague gut feeling about Sally. And it looks like at this point Sally and Boro were the only two with votes. She hadn't mentioned Boro at all, so I suppose Sally isn't out of left field.

As for today:
Post 1: Speculates Greenie was killed as a potential seer.

I think Greenie at least had the sort of quiet and sensible tone that often gives away gifteds

If Greenie was targeted because it was believed she was the seer, then Sally could well be a wolf.

Post 2: Summarizes Greenie's posts. Points out Boro was the only one Greenie really cleared and Sally was the only one really suspected. Puts together a vote timeline, sort of

the lynch - before the Legate lynch started happening, the vote count was Sally 2, Kitanna 1, Lommy 1, Boro 1 and Legate 1. 7 minutes to the deadline there was still a tie between Legate and Sally, to which Nerwen contributed by putting Kitanna too at two votes. Then Sally and Kitanna both voted Legate and it was done.

Then says based on the above voting Sally warrants a closer look.

Post 3: Responds to Boro who had made a comment about Nerwen and Sally from D1 (if I remember correctly it was something like "How did Sally end up with two votes?" followed by "Mean Finnish girls") Lommy's response to this was she didn't believe Nerwen and Sally were both wolves or if they were they were bold indeed. Or at least Nerwen was bold.

Post 4:

If Sally, Kitanna and Nerwen are the wolves I'm likely to die of laughter. Seriously, what is this trio and their interactions? And why do they keep popping up in people's top suspects? Like, maybe even too much for them to be actually guilty, or then they are the most transparent wolf pack ever. Hmm, whatever the case, I do believe at least one of them is guilty, maybe even two.

[Kath]

Here and reading ...

[Kath]

Day 1:

Interesting things:
Lommy - began the 'should the Maniac reveal' discussion. Definitely an interesting idea that merited a lot of discussion. Shares Greenie's odd feeling about sally.

Legate - I still don't follow how the Maniac revealing would have ended up with a guaranteed Day 2 wolf lynch. Would appreciated more clarity here. Shares Greenie's odd feeling about sally but says this was gut, writes pretty much the opposite in his next post and clears her.

Nogrod - said Nerwen was overly happy to start with. This struck me as odd as he didn't mention Lommy's first post where she quite literally squealed with joy! Also suspicious of Lottie and Kitanna for almost pushing the hype of their own poor history.

Shasta - doesn't like Lommy and Legate's discussion of maniac lynching, and doesn't like Kitanna ignoring what the mod said about them.

Boro - makes the first halfway useful post of the game (discussing the maniac) even though his understanding of the role was very different to mine! But then Inzil only clarified later. Unhappy with Lommy pushing for reveals.

Votes:
Greenie --> sally ~ For non-committal commenting (later explained by sally to my satisfaction)
Legate --> Boro ~ For uneasiness and because he might be able to defend himself.
Lommy --> sally ~ Presumably based on the previous odd feeling from the post.
Nog --> Kitanna ~ For being around but not contributing.
Lottie --> Legate ~ Bad feeling.
Cop --> Legate ~ Disliking the later elements of his scenarios.
Nerwen --> Kitanna ~ Potentially pushing for the maniac to join the wolves.
Kitanna --> Legate ~ Pushing sally and then voting Boro (this vote puts herself and sally clear of the lynch)
sally --> Legate ~ Choosing between Kitanna and Legate

Now what is the rule on double lynching in this game? Because this could be rather important given that, had sally chosen Kitanna there, we would have had that scenario.

Going on to toDay.

[Kath]

Greenie's death:

Post 1: Found sally unsettling (I still think this was clearly explained afterwards). Feels that Kitanna posted substance even though she didn't really. Pleased that Boro is on topic. Confused by Legate. Little to say on anyone else.

Post 2 : Offers defence of Nerwen. Ah, I think this post might hold the key. She talks about how to impersonate a maniac, because of course they would want to be Night killed to best help the village. Maybe the wolves were playing the odds. Lose a wolf but get rid of the maniac now. Or hoping for a bluff.

Post 3: Continued discussion of the maniac.

Post 4: Continued discussion, but also decides Lommy looks innocent.

Post 5: Also confused by Legate! Votes sally for her earlier suspicion.

Well then. Nerwen and Lommy are the names that came up here so keep an eye on them toDay I suppose.

[Kath]

Day 2:
Cop - feels Greenie was a trailless kill. Could be, though I think the maniac discussion was probably involved. Doesn't see anything suspicious about the votes, but immediately follows with being most likely to vote sally with no explanation. Feels Kitanna and Nerwen wouldn't have shown such clear unhappiness with sally having votes if they were her packmates - fair. Votes sally for: Sally: Her reasoning on Day 1 seemed fine to me, and nothing pinged me about her tone. But, if Greenie was killed because of sounding Seerish, what she said about Sally looks the most likely. I disagree with Lommy; I don't think Greenie's wording was clear about exonerating Boro. Hmm.

Lommy - thinks Greenie's tone may have suggested giftedness, thus the kill. Then finds suggestions the wolves may have thought her the Seer, with fair reasoning. Also reached the conclusion that sally is an interesting kettle of fish. Feels it would be unlikely for sally and Nerwen to both be wolves. But doesn't like the odd trio of sally, Nerwen and Kitanna that is circling toDay.

Boro - thinks Nerwen's question about how sally got 2 votes was odd, rather clearing sally in opposition to Lommy's suspicion. Doesn't like Nog's vote as he doesn't get the reasoning. I see where Nog got the reasoning from, so this didn't strike me as oddly as it does Boro. Offers a theory that Lottie knew the three names in the voting were innocent as she didn't want to add votes to them. Says Kitanna and sally voted in the interest of self preservation. And yes, they did, but neither of them made that clear which was odd. Votes Lottie based on his earlier reasoning.

Lottie - thinks Greenie was just a safe kill.

Kitanna - thinks Lottie, Lommy, sally and Cop had suspicious votes. Ends up only mildly suspicious of sally. Feels Lottie is too careful.

Nerwen - suddenly defensive.

Nog - says Kitanna's suspicion of those who suspect sally makes sally look suspicious. Thinks Nerwen's defence of sally is too bold for wolf on wolf.

Right. Checking over any extra posts, reading my own words, then voting.

[Kath]

Also Nog - it's always going to be lots of posts in a rush from me so just hang in there!

[Kath]

From yesterDay, I think Kitanna and sally's votes are suspicious. They are both clearly self preservation votes and this is acceptable as an innocent, and understandable as a wolf. What I find odd is that neither of them actually admitted to that.

That Nog changed his suspicions through the Day made me feel happier about my early wonderings about him.

From my look at Greenie I think Lommy and Nerwen bear watching, but neither has leapt out as suspicious toDay to me.

Would really still like to know about double lynches as I feel that would have had a strong influence yesterDay on sally and Kitanna's voting.

And I rather feel that lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information here as a result.

There are already votes for Lottie and sally, so I will add the third name to the mix.

++Kitanna

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Kath

Says Kitanna and sally voted in the interest of self preservation. And yes, they did, but neither of them made that clear which was odd. Votes Lottie based on his earlier reasoning.

I missed a lot of posts while rereading the thread for my long post at the end of the day. I didn't realize it was a vote of self-preservation at the time. Not that changes anything. I still would have voted Legate since I wasn't convinced of Sally's guilt.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

I disagree with Lommy; I don't think Greenie's wording was clear about exonerating Boro.

It wasn't exactly clear, but it was the clearest. I think the only other one she thought more innocent than not was me, and there she changed her opinion after I backtracked on my maniac plan. Anyway, I still think the same as in the beginning of the Day: that given Greenie's death and yesterDay's vote, we should look really hard at Sally. I have yet to see a better lynch option for toDay, however much my gut-feeling keeps flip-flopping on her.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I'll (hopefully) have some content up before DL tonight, but I'll understand if you guys feel it would be better to modkill/replace me.

As long as you honestly try to post and you manage to vote, I think it's ok. Everybody is busy sometimes (this village is just so small that quiet people make me paranoid).

edit: xed with Kitanna and Kath... hmm.

[Coppermirror]

D1 votes:

Greenie-innocent --> Sally (1)
Legate-innocent --> Boro (1)
Lommy --> Sally (2)
Nog --> Kitanna (1)
Boro --> Lommy (1)
Lottie-innocent --> Legate-innocent (1)
Cop --> Legate-innocent (2)
Nerwen --> Kitanna (2)
Kitanna --> Legate-innocent (3)
Sally --> Legate-innocent (4)

Non-voters: Kath, Shasta

D2 votes:

Cop --> Sally (1)
Boro --> Lottie-innocent (1)
Kath --> Kitanna (1)
Lommy --> Sally (2)
Nog-innocent --> Sally (3)
Kitanna --> Nog-innocent (1)
Lottie-innocent --> Nog-innocent (2)
Shasta --> Kitanna (2)
Sally --> Nog-innocent (3)
Nerwen --> Nog-innocent (4) (late)

Non-voters: nobody.

Right, I'll start by looking at just the votes without context, then I'll go and read what happened yesterDay in more detail.

The pattern of the days has gone similarly, with a cluster of scattered first votes within which Sally is the only one to get a second vote at first, at the tail end of which a single vote is cast for the person who will eventually get lynched, followed by a second vote for that person and a second vote for Kitanna, then two more votes for the person who gets lynched.

On Day 1, the one who cast the vote that got Legate lynched was Kitanna, and at the time she was in danger from a three way tie between her, Sally and Legate. To save herself, she had to break the tie, and chose Legate over Sally.

On Day 2, the one who cast the vote that got Nog lynched was Sally. To attempt to save herself by creating a tie, her options were Kitanna and Nog, and she chose Nog over Kitanna.

The only person who has voted for the same person twice was Lommy. So the overall pattern has been so similar on both days that unless Sally and Kitanna are both wolves, which at a guess is unlikely, I'm not sure what can be learned from it divorced of context. It would be interesting to look back over some past games to see if the same pattern gets repeated often.

And...I see as I write this that Kitanna's just revealed as a possible Maniac.

Edit: crossed since Nerwen at #162.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

The only person who has voted for the same person twice was Lommy. So the overall pattern has been so similar on both days that unless Sally and Kitanna are both wolves, which at a guess is unlikely, I'm not sure what can be learned from it divorced of context. It would be interesting to look back over some past games to see if the same pattern gets repeated often.

You mean we should spend hours toDay reading through multiple past games to see if… wait… what will it show, exactly, even if the same pattern does get repeated?

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You mean we should spend hours toDay reading through multiple past games to see if… wait… what will it show, exactly, even if the same pattern does get repeated?

No, I don't. I couldn't find much of interest in the vote placement in the game so far; I just find it interesting that the same pattern happened twice (that is, the pattern, not the specific people placing votes). I wouldn't mind looking up the vote placement in earlier games out of curiosity someday to see if it happens a lot, but it wouldn't be relevant to this game.

[Nerwen]

The Kit Situation

We are now 5:3.

1. Kit is a wolf and we lynch her.
We will be 5:2 toNight. The real Maniac and Ranger will be still alive.
1. a.) The Ranger makes a save toNight. We are still 5:2 toMorrow.
1. b.) The Ranger fails the save. We are 4:2 toMorrow.
1. c.) The real Maniac (having kept quiet) is Night-killed, taking down a wolf. We are 4:1 toMorrow.

2. Kit is the Maniac and we lynch her.
1. a) She takes down a wolf. We are 4:2 toNight.
1. b) She takes down an innocent. We are 3:3 toNight, thus dead.

EDIT:fixed numbers.

[Thinlómien]

Innocentish
Shasta - well he still needs to contribute and I really hate to use this kind of an argument, but I think he'd be more involved if he was a wolf.
Nogrod - I was a bit wary of him yesterDay but he seems better toDay, possibly because I can relate to his frustration about people being so quiet.
Kath - she's always a hard one to read early on, but I'm not too worried atm.
Copper - somehow manages to be under my radar. I don't like that, but I'm not particularily suspicious either.

Suspiciousish
Nerwen - well I don't like this whole Nerwen-Sally-Kitanna business, and Nerwen's floating around in the voting last night looks a bit fishy.
Sally - I keep flip-flopping on her, like whether I'm paranoid in thinking she acts like wolf!Sally or not, but I'm leaning guilty.
Kitanna - is quite defensive, and her interactions with the people mentioned above are fishy; there must be something going on with this trio. Still, Kitanna is probably the least suspicious of the three.
Lottie - I think I might just suspect here because others do so too, though.
Boro - something about him rubs me the wrong way. I mean, I agree with a lot of what he says, but since I suspect Sally and/or Nerwen it made me raise my eyebrows quite a bit that he suspected them quite vocally and then ended up voting Lottie.

I don't know if I've developed some homicidal tendencies, but I really wouldn't mind lynching anyone from the latter category. My preference would be one of Sally, Nerwen or Kitanna though, because my brain has kind of concentrated around them toDay and I feel like knowing one of their role might shed some light on the others.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Shasta - well he still needs to contribute and I really hate to use this kind of an argument, but I think he'd be more involved if he was a wolf.

Don't use that. (I'm innocent, but still, don't. )

This game started right as I started moving out of one apartment and into another, plus an incredibly long week of work. DL for me is at 9 PM - I work from 12 AM to 8 AM and sleep right after that until about 4 PM, giving me 5-ish hours that I could split between moving and Werewolf. I just haven't had time to be here, innocent or wolf.

However, I'm all moved in now and I'm coming up on days off, so I'll be able to contribute more after the next hour or so. I'll (hopefully) have some content up before DL tonight, but I'll understand if you guys feel it would be better to modkill/replace me.

On a related note, Sally is busy today as well - she texted me and asked me to mention it (I just haven't been awake before now.)

[Kitanna]

Coppermirror

Post 1: Banter. First poster.

Post 2: More of the same.

Post 3 & 4: Hold nothing of value, not even banter.

Post 5: Provides her first summary of the game thus far.
For Nerwen, Lottie, and me says there's not much to go on based on what he read.
Comments on Sally's maniac ideas (maniac=timebomb, maybe it's better not to know), but doesn't really say much of her thoughts on Sally.
She declares she won't vote for Lommy. Thinks her suggestion for the maniac to reveal is questionable, but notes she did get the conversation moving.
For Legate

I like Legate's reasoning for (a) and (b) in post #35, but not (c) and (b).

I don't really have time to pull up how Legate's a,b,c worked right not, but essentially Cop agreed with some and disagreed with other parts. Also has this to say

Takes time to explain the reasoning for his vote, which is good, but might even be slightly too careful.

I'm not sure how explaining a vote is being too careful. I'd rather have an explanation to use later, then gut feelings across the board.
Not going to vote for Nog based on consistency and contribution.
Doesn't have much to say about Shasta except his logic looks sound.

Feeling relatively good about: Lommy, Nogrod
Neutral about: Sally, Shasta
No idea about: Kitanna, Lottie, Nerwen
Mildly suspicious of: Legate

Post 6: Continues where he left off
Says Greenie could be a wolf playing it safe.
Nothing to say on Kath except she won't vote on her because of her absence.
Won't vote for Boro because he got the discussion going so won't vote for him. However though she understands Boro's reasoning toward Lommy she doesn't agree.

?????: Kath.
Neutral about: Greenie, Boro

Ends by saying he'll probably vote Legate.

Post 7: Votes Legate.

Today's posts:
Post 1: Looks at Greenie's posts concludes

She doesn't seem to have strongly suspected anyone at all, and she was the first to vote and have to leave. I suppose it's possible she was a trailless kill, but I can't really believe that in a village this small. There must have been something.

Post 2: Puts up voting timeline. Doesn't see anything on the surface to point to guilt at the time of the post.

Post 3: Has this to say

If Nerwen was a Moviephile trying to save a packmate Sally there, I'm not sure she would have been so obviously unhappy with the Sally vote. Same goes for Kitanna.

But doesn't really indicate how she feels about Nerwen beyond a theory of what Nerwen could have done as a wolf.
Says if Greenie was killed for being seerish Sally looks like a likely wolf.
Doesn't think Lottie's idea of the wolves picking a safe, non-maniac kill makes sense. Like Nerwen doesn't really say how she feels.
Says I look consistent, not overly suspicious.

Lommy: Has been active toDay. Other than that, not a lot of change since yesterDay.
Nogrod: No posts since I last commented about him, I think.
Shasta: Ditto, and I'm worried about his lack of activity.
Kath: Also worried about lack of activity.

Still has no real feel for Boro.
Votes Sally based on Greenie possibly being a seerish kill.

Copper doesn't really commit to anyone. Cop has been very careful. She gives passes to nearly everyone, except one person, who she then votes for. Since it's only D2 I couldn't say for sure, but it seems like she is trying to stay on people's good sides and today she picks Sally, who I view as an easy target because of the likelihood Greenie was picked off as a possible seer. I can't say the same for Legate at the time of her vote, so I don't know what to think of that.

[Nogrod]

You can't be kidding that no one but Kitanna posts in this thread! (kudos to Kit for that)

How are we supposed to play a game no one plays?

I need to vote in some near future and will most probably abstain from voting Kit again just because she plays - and anyway Sally looks like the better guess at the moment as she seems to be the centerpiece of the only one larger construction I can come up with (in that construction Kit is more like the one trying to lessen her guilt - and an innocent might like to go against the flow for the simple reason that the most obvious explanation could be wrong - as it certainly could).

But there are so many others in this game I'd rather hear more of to have more ideas than just these I have now - which are mostly kindled from the posts by Kit.


EDIT: X'd with Kath. Good. Someone is around.