WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Coppermirror]

Okay, time for me to look at the voting yesterDay.

Day 1 voting

Greenie-innocent --> Sally(1)

Legate-innocent --> Boro(1)

Lommy --> Sally(2)

Nog --> Kitanna(1)

Boro --> Lommy(1)

Lottie --> Legate-innocent(1)

Cop --> Legate-innocent(2)

Nerwen --> Kitanna(2)

Kitanna --> Legate-innocent(3)

Sally --> Legate-innocent(4)

Non-voters: Kath, Shasta (reasons given in admin post)

So the only people who attracted 2 or more votes were Sally, Legate and Kitanna, with Kitanna breaking the tie and followed by Sally with the latter bringing Legate to 4 votes. Both of the last two Legate voters were in some danger themselves because Kath and Shasta had not yet voted. Kath may be prone to being quiet on Day 1, so it might have been a reasonable bet that she wouldn't vote, though.

I can't see anything obviously suspicious about the votes there yet, so I'll post this now and try to take another look. I've got to vote within the next two hours, but today hasn't had a lot of useful discussion yet. If I had to pick right this second I would probably vote for Sally. But, Lommy's raised some other possible reasons why Greenie might have seemed Seerish. I'll read over Greenie's posts again.

Edit: crossed with Lommy

[Loslote]

So, I don't have too long right now - I'm about to head off to work - but I'll be back about five hours before DL and I'll have plenty of time to post then. In the meantime...

I don't think the wolves necessarily thought Greenie was the Seer. More likely, in my mind, they thought she was a safe kill. Not only was she almost universally considered one of the least suspicious people, she was also heavily involved in the Maniac discussion - in such a way as might have tipped the wolves off to the fact that she was not herself the Maniac. I see more evidence for that than for a potential Seer-kill.

Alright, I really do have to run. Hopefully there'll be more to work with when I get back!

[Boromir88]

On yesterday's voting:

Something rubs me the wrong way here, maybe it's this being the only comment she makes on the whole Maniac issue in a post otherwise comprised of banter. Safely noncommittal, leaving ends open, casually concerned but not really. Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing, so

++ Sally

Greenie: Night killed. Known innocent. I might as well combine the two posts...I didn't get any seerish, at least not in her vote. Maybe she dropped a hint earlier where she seemed more certain of someone's innocence. But her last post of Day 1, if Greenie was targeted because the wolves thought she was the seer, I don't see how they would have reached that conclusion from Greenie voting for sally. Based on that post, if sally is a wolf, who thought Greenie was the seer, then sally is rather paranoid in this game. (sally 1)

++Boro

since I don't want to make a completely throwaway vote, and this way I am at least making a vote for someone who (I presume) would be still around and can make a case for himself if it became relevant (unlike if I voted for Greenie or probably Kath).

Legate: I didn't like it, but skipping over it, because there's no point anymore. Sorry, Legate, but it's no insult to say that a dead man is dead. (sally 1, Boro 1)

This is hard and it's already past my bedtime.

As I'm pretty sure there will still be plenty more lynch candidates toDay, I will not make the list longer. So I vote

++Sally

Lommy: Yesterday I thought this reasoning was pretty strange, because I'm of the opinion...no games, no tricks with voting. Just tell us who you think is most suspicious and vote for that person. It seemed with this explanation Lommy wasn't even particularly suspicious of sally, she just didn't want to add more names when the last would certainly grow. (sally 2, Boro 1)

Day 1 is really random and unpredictable, because we're taking a stab in the dark and it tends to spread out the vote. So if there's any day where my "no tricks, no games" in voting doesn't apply, it would be Day 1. This vote didn't look as bad as it did yesterday.

++ Kitanna

Starting with self-defence / martyr-role, being careful overall and also to not suspect others, hanging around but not contributing... Enough for a D1 vote where there is so little to go after - and too many reasons not to vote someone else on D1 -basis.

Nogrod: This is a weird explanation. I agree with the latter half, but don't see where he finds this self-defense/ martyr-role Kitanna played yesterday? She said to scratch her post about the maniac away because she missed what Inzil said. Unless I missed something, I don't know where Nogrod got this "self-defense/martyr" vibe from Kitanna. (sally 2, Boro 1, Kit 1)

(I voted for Lommy next) (sally 2, Boro 1, Kit 1, Lommy 1)

I'm really not thrilled with any of the options so far. I've still got a bad feeling about Legate, but I don't have anything concrete, and I'm not completely comfortable voting for him. I'd be more comfortable with him than with the other three on the table, though, so...

++Legate

Lottie: First vote for innocent Legate (and crossed with my vote). Ok as far as a Day 1 explanation goes. Doesn't feel entirely comfortable adding another name, but at the same time said she was less comfortable about voting for any of the other 3 (sally, me, and Kitanna). The vote for Legate looks ok, but at this point it's making me wonder if any of those who had votes yesterday are wolves. That is, it almost looks like Lottie knows the 3 that had votes at that point are innocent (because they're not one of her mates) and she therefor didn't care about adding another innocent (Legate) to the pile and seeing which one gets the noose. (sally 2, Boro 1, Kit 1, Lommy 1, Legate 1)

I like Legate's reasoning for (a) and (b) in post #35, but not (c) and (b). In #42, I can see logic in the reasoning but I disagree with the idea of the Maniac revealing and with the idea that it's better for the Maniac to reveal early if it's to be done. An unrevealed Maniac is a greater risk for the wolves as the game goes on. Takes time to explain the reasoning for his vote, which is good, but might even be slightly too careful.[...]
...++Legate

Copper: I'm combining one of Cop's posts with her vote post, because she didn't give the reasons when voting for Legate. She sounded most suspicious of Legate, and based on his posts on the maniac. Ok. Her analysis posts on people seemed to be mostly favoring people and not wanting to step on too many toes. Can't find that too suspicious at the moment, it's hard to form clearer opinions when it's this quiet. (sally 2, Legate 2, Boro 1, Kit 1, Lommy 1)

Hmmn. I actually do find Legate questionable but Kitanna just a bit more so, for reasons I gave at #75.

So–

++Kitanna

*universe implodes*

Nerwen: says the reasons are in #75. And it's because of Kit's misinterpreting the maniac's role. Says also that I came up with the same interpretation so the same could apply to me in hinting to the maniac. If the wolves thought the maniac was a wild card at the beginning of the day and were trying to hint to the maniac, that would be suspicious. On my end I thought a slightly new role deserved discussion and my point got sidetracked to the maniac revealing after Inzil clarified. (sally 2, Legate 2, Kitanna 2...bunch of people 1)

And I believe the universe is still here.

I think of the three Greenie is the least evil. Lommy votes so as not to throw out more lynch candidates and puts Sally in the lead, fishy. And Legate, like I said earlier I think I must have missed something, but he made mention of having a gut feeling of Sally and then dropped it immediately. Like he pushed Sally's name out there some more for people to grab, then turned around and voted Boro.

++Legate

Kitanna: self-preservation vote (so neither good nor bad). Someone should go back and check to see if what she says about Legate dropping some early ill feelings on sally after she got a vote is true. I'm running out of time. If it's true than her reason for voting Legate, instead of sally, looks better because it would be more genuine/honest, even if Legate was an innocent. (Legate 3, Kit 2, Sally 2)

Of Kit and Legate, I find the latter more unsettling at the moment.

++Legate

sally: self preservation as well, and appears to have crossed with Kit's vote. Doesn't really offer an explanation in the vote, because of the DL approaching. But she did explain in an earlier post, where she thinks there's too much of a deal being made about Kit misinterpreting the maniac role, and Legate's overanalyzing with all the different scenarios.

She also makes a good point on Lottie's vote:

And then there is Lottie's vote for Legate, which also seems forced, like she needed to direct the lynch away from the existing candidates (not that I should be complaining). I understand the dissatisfaction that comes with seeing your Day 1 lynching options, but this did not seem like classic indecisive Lottie.

I want to see if I've crossed with anyone (please...please...have some posties). Then I'll have to vote in an hour. It's much earlier than I wanted and will be primarily based on yesterday's votes - more on them to come.