WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

...Is that a joke, or is the Cuyahoga River really known for catching on fire?

Yes

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Uh, well... But it gave me a really nasty ache in the hip from having to sit still that long.

Ah! What did I say? A confession!

[Thinlómien]

Okay, first things first.

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Okay, now that I got it off my chest, I'm off to business. What business, you may ask, as there's been nothing but banter and Nerwen jokingly reviving the tradition of suspecting those who post first.

So let me make a couple of predictions about how the Day1 will proceed after this utterly typical beginning:

Nerwen will miss the vote.
Kath will miss the entire Day.
Legate will get into posting novel-length stuff by the deadline.
Loslote (or Kitanna) will be lynched.
Nogrod will be uncharacteristically quiet (okay, you can't really credit me with being a psychic if I get this right, I happen to know he has a busy day in RL).
Speaking of psychics, Shasta will use half of his posts for praising Nerwen (and vice versa, but he always seems to be the one to start).

Any additions to my little list?

Oh, and better say it earlier than later: the deadline is 5am Finnish time, so you're probably not going to see much of me, Legate or Greenie around the DL time (not speaking for Nogrod because that man is crazy).

[Boromir88]

What about the maniac? Are we talking movie-maniac? Professor-maniac? Or just a straight up maniac?

I interpret the role as a wild card with no allegiance...if so, then the maniac only helps us as an unknown, because the wolves aren't going to kill a revealed maniac. But as an unknown, there's still a danger we lynch the maniac. And it sets up the possibility of wolves trying to fake maniacal tendencies, knowing we won't want to lynch the maniac.

[Boromir88]

Nerwen's link on the Cuyahoga is brokey. But no joke Copper...it's been on fire, multiple times:

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

What about the maniac? Are we talking movie-maniac? Professor-maniac? Or just a straight up maniac?

I interpret the role as a wild card with no allegiance...if so, then the maniac only helps us as an unknown, because the wolves aren't going to kill a revealed maniac. But as an unknown, there's still a danger we lynch the maniac. And it sets up the possibility of wolves trying to fake maniacal tendencies, knowing we won't want to lynch the maniac.

Interesting, I simply read the maniac as a randomized version of the hunter.

Can Inzil clarify if the maniac wins with the village or on his own (I assume not with the moviephiles, for heaven's sake) or if this is classified information?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Interesting, I simply read the maniac as a randomized version of the hunter.

Yeah, I also understood it as "I am the Hunter, but I will take my revenge on you whoever you are if you lynch me during the Day." Or rather, there had been many versions of Hunter who operated like this, technically the only difference here being that the Maniac does not choose anybody to "hunt". And note that the Day lynch still means the Maniac can take down a Wolf, if a Wolf is among those who voted him/her, but of course you have the element of randomness there. (Pointing this out since my initial "brain-shortcut" equation was "kills Wolf during night, kills innocents during Day", which is not entirely true, although of course still preferable not to lynch at all. So in that respect, it really IS similar to the Hunter. And since there was no mention of any special rules, I simply assume the Maniac is innocent.)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boro

Nerwen's link on the Cuyahoga is brokey.

Weird– the link seems to be formatted correctly, but it just won’t work.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Interesting, I simply read the maniac as a randomized version of the hunter.

Can Inzil clarify if the maniac wins with the village or on his own (I assume not with the moviephiles, for heaven's sake) or if this is classified information?

I was also thinking of it as a sort of Hunter-variant, as that’s how Zil originally described it– but the concept has changed since.

Unfortunately Zil is rather cagey about the details (no doubt on purpose).

Originally Posted by Zil

Excellent! The target is 12 players, to allow for three baddies.

I altered the Maniac a bit, taking out the correlation with a Hunter. He really isn't a Hunter, since he takes no active role in who dies. As a matter of fact, I probably will keep to myself who the Maniac is, so the person himself will be surprised.

Now, the narration seems to indicate three moviephiles, i.e. the “three baddies”. Therefore I think the Maniac can’t be on their side, or he’d be a fourth “baddie". Also I don’t think he could be actively opposed to the village on his own account, since that would also shift the role into “evil” territory– cf werebears.

Then of course there’s the possibility that the Maniac isn’t aware of his role, which complicates things even more.

EDIT:X’d with Legate.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Can Inzil clarify if the maniac wins with the village or on his own (I assume not with the moviephiles, for heaven's sake) or if this is classified information?

The Maniac is like a Hunter in that they are in with the village. Basically an Ordo with an added quantity of unpredictability surrounding their death.

[Nerwen]

Thank you, Disembodied Voice.

[Kitanna]

Day 1

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Okay, now that I got it off my chest, I'm off to business. What business, you may ask, as there's been nothing but banter and Nerwen jokingly reviving the tradition of suspecting those who post first.

So let me make a couple of predictions about how the Day1 will proceed after this utterly typical beginning:

Nerwen will miss the vote.
Kath will miss the entire Day.
Legate will get into posting novel-length stuff by the deadline.
Loslote (or Kitanna) will be lynched.
Nogrod will be uncharacteristically quiet (okay, you can't really credit me with being a psychic if I get this right, I happen to know he has a busy day in RL).
Speaking of psychics, Shasta will use half of his posts for praising Nerwen (and vice versa, but he always seems to be the one to start).

I'm not sure what to make of Boro's and Nogrod's underlined worry about wolves posing as the maniac. How do you do that except by fake revealing anyway? (And I see that as possibly being more beneficial to the villagers in the long run

I might follow Greenie's vote on Sally (I seem to have noticed that Sally has this "friendly and reasonable" vibe whenever she's guilty and there's a bit of that now), or Nerwen, who also just seems a bit wrong somehow, like detached.

Votes Sally

Day 2

Only one post and it' almost 7 hours into Day2? Come on people. (I'm especially looking at you, Shasta.)

I think Greenie at least had the sort of quiet and sensible tone that often gives away gifteds (even though ordos who are not the type to intentionally stir the pot or stream of consciousness post *coughyourstrulycough* might often give that vibe too.)***

Yeah, although I'm not sure both Sally and Nerwen are wolves, if yes, they are quite bold, or Nerwen at least is quite bold.

If Sally, Kitanna and Nerwen are the wolves I'm likely to die of laughter.

Innocentish
Shasta - well he still needs to contribute and I really hate to use this kind of an argument, but I think he'd be more involved if he was a wolf.
Nogrod - I was a bit wary of him yesterDay but he seems better toDay, possibly because I can relate to his frustration about people being so quiet.
Kath - she's always a hard one to read early on, but I'm not too worried atm.
Copper - somehow manages to be under my radar. I don't like that, but I'm not particularily suspicious either.

Suspiciousish
Nerwen - well I don't like this whole Nerwen-Sally-Kitanna business, and Nerwen's floating around in the voting last night looks a bit fishy.
Sally - I keep flip-flopping on her, like whether I'm paranoid in thinking she acts like wolf!Sally or not, but I'm leaning guilty.
Kitanna - is quite defensive, and her interactions with the people mentioned above are fishy; there must be something going on with this trio. Still, Kitanna is probably the least suspicious of the three.
Lottie - I think I might just suspect here because others do so too, though.
Boro - something about him rubs me the wrong way. I mean, I agree with a lot of what he says, but since I suspect Sally and/or Nerwen it made me raise my eyebrows quite a bit that he suspected them quite vocally and then ended up voting Lottie.

that given Greenie's death and yesterDay's vote, we should look really hard at Sally. I have yet to see a better lynch option for toDay, however much my gut-feeling keeps flip-flopping on her.

Which is something I haven't really considered - it suddenly makes it a lot less risky for wolf-on-wolf voting in the last minutes if the situation is even enough and the voted wolf hasn't still voted herself. I might or might not be talking about Nerwen and Sally.

Votes Sally again

These are the selected writings of Lommy. I picked these because they listed her suspects/made mention of her dreams. She was consistent from D1 that Nerwen felt wrong. She was very, very careful in how she accused Nerwen. Lots of gut-feelings and throwing Nerwen's name in with mine or Sally's, but almost never Nerwen alone.

***I bolded this quote because it looks very much to me like Lommy trying to distance herself from having a gifted role. "Look I'm an ordo who plays in such a way to attract attention for being gifted..."

All this makes me feel Lommy is most probably not lying. And if she is I will retire from WW having been fooled so thoroughly.

[Kitanna]

So...just me in the village right now?

I don't have as much time to go back right now as I would like, but I'll have more time when my lunch break rolls around in a few hours. So, just some thoughts to break up the silence.

Yesterday I said Cop never really committed to any suspects, except for who she votes for. Today she gives us the vote count and some thoughts on the tie-breaking votes that occurred both days

So the overall pattern has been so similar on both days that unless Sally and Kitanna are both wolves, which at a guess is unlikely, I'm not sure what can be learned from it divorced of context. It would be interesting to look back over some past games to see if the same pattern gets repeated often.

And...I see as I write this that Kitanna's just revealed as a possible Maniac.

Also talks about going back some day looking over old games to see if a similar pattern ever occurred. She said this was just out of sheer interest, but the comment seems weird, though not especially nefarious. Just sort of pointless.

She questions my reveal most logically though. Which is good I think, given that blind faith can be very alarming and seen easily as a wolf piggy backing on a gifted reveal.

Her suggestion that if she isn't believed everyone should vote for her is bizarre, but I can't see what benefit she would get out of it either as an innocent or as a wolf.

To clarify hen I looked at the numbers I only looked at them as far as the end of today. I never factored in the night kill and the resulting lost innocent. I only thought on the possibility that lynching me could get us a wolf, not the doom that could follow if I took down an innocent.

It doesn't look like Cop has been back since Lommy's reveal.

My opinion of Cop remains pretty much the same as yesterday. Somewhat suspicious, but not enough to warrant a vote at this time. We'll see what happens later...

Boro is another mystery to me. He's clever, especially as a wolf. Yesterday I said a wolf Boro could want to make a kill that didn't link him to the victim in a seerish way. Greenie didn't really suspect him, so that's a good kill. Lottie I don't think really had an opinion of him either.

Boro is also quick to believe both Lommy and I. Wishful thinking of an innocent? Or a piggy backing wolf? He's a crafty one and I've seen him do some pretty astounding things as a wolf. Like Sally though, he is pretty absent due to RL and it makes it harder for me to form a solid opinion since he's not really around.

If Lommy is telling the truth Shasta is innocent. And honestly, if she's lying I'd think he was innocent anyway after his vote yesterday.

That leaves Kath. We have a pretty busy village as far as RL goes. So her lack of posting doesn't bother me, but she has barely registered on anyone's radar. She's just this submarine, popping in, offering some opinions, voting, and gone. And she missed D1 vote, so we have only D2 vote. On lunch I'll look at her posts for a clue.

[Kath]

I have an extremely fragile net connection (first time I've managed to get a connection at all today!) so I am going to vote right now.

As there have been no counter reveals to either Lommy or Kitanna, and I think everyone has now posted, I am happy to believe both.

Therefore:
++Nerwen

Lommy-Seer says she's a wolf then she's a wolf.

If Lommy and Kitanna are actual a wolf pack then I take my hat off to them!

[Thinlómien]

(leaving out myself, Kitanna and Shasta, as well as the dead, for obvious reasons)

~*~

Nerwen and Boro

Day 1 - Nerwen jokingly points out the rule of three would condemn Boro. Discussion about Nerwen's broken banter link.

Day 2 - Boro starts the Day by saying that not only Sally's but also Nerwen's actions before the DL on Day1 look fishy. He mentions her in a voting recap. Then he mentions again that her vote did not sit right with him and that it's unlikely she and Sally are in cahoots. (At this point, I personally found it weird he voted Lottie not Nerwen, because he had been talking about Nerwen being suspicious from the beginning of the Day.) Nerwen retaliates by pointing out various illogical/fishy things Boro has said on the same Day.

Day 3 - after my reveal, Boro says he wishes he had voted Nerwen the Day before and votes her now.

Thoughts: Like I said above, I find it a little fishy that Boro didn't go for Nerwen on Day2 even though she seemed like his main suspect until he decided that Lottie's vote the Day before looked worse after all. They don't still do each other much favours on Day2, but that hardly tells us anything as both of them are capable of much more dramatic wolf-on-wolf backstabbing.

~*~

Nerwen and Cop

Day 1 - Nerwen points out the rule of three would condemn Cop. They banter. In a list post, Cop says there's not much to go on on Nerwen and files her under "no idea about".

Day 2 - Cop says it's unlikely Nerwen is packmates with Sally because she defended her so openly.

Day 3 - Discussion about voting patterns, and a longer discussion about Kitanna's maniac reveal.

Thoughts: There is a lot of easy chatter between the two, as if they were on especially amiable terms, for example chatting with each other during Night phases and simply continuing that on the thread. (Before you say this sounds far-fetched, I say it's happened before.) It could of course just be normal chatter between two people who get along (possibly because Nerwen's trying to buddy up with Cop) and/or happen to be around at the same time when not so many others are.

~*~

Nerwen and Sally

Day 1 - Nerwen jokingly points out the rule of three would condemn Sally. Sally half-seriously encourages Nerwen to break her track record of not voting on Day1. Nerwen wonders why Sally has two votes and Sally points the finger at me and Greenie. Nerwen would rather not see Sally lynched and ergo votes Kitanna. Sally makes fun of her not formatting the vote right.

Day 2 - Nerwen basically says that Greenie's death points at Sally, but doesn't. Suggests Sally was framed.

Day 3 - nothing yet.

Thoughts: what the mordor?? This makes me more confused than anything else. Either Nerwen is artfully latching onto innocent Sally to a) make herself look better if Sally dies and is discovered innocent or b) make Sally look suspicious if Nerwen herself dies and is discovered guilty, or then these are two wolves hiding out in the open. I'm almost more inclined to think the first option is true.

~*~

Nerwen and Kath

Day 1 - Nerwen expresses shock about Kath being active on Day1.

Day 2 - In a voting recap, Kath says about Nerwen: "Nerwen --> Kitanna ~ Potentially pushing for the maniac to join the wolves." Kath, can you clarify what you mean by this comment? Kath also concludes that Greenie's death points at Nerwen but doesn't really explain why and says that she became suddenly defensive on Day2.

Day 3 - Kath believes my reveal and votes for Nerwen.

Thoughts: hmmm, interesting. Nerwen says practically nothing about Kath. Kath throws very vague suspicion at Nerwen's direction, but definitely doesn't act on it. Looks fishy to me all in all - but no one says this can't be coincidence.

~*~

next up: a look on Lottie's death

[Kitanna]

Kath
Her first post was agreeing with Legate's assessment of the maniac role. And to prove Lommy's prediction wrong. And that's it for D1.

D2 her first post was "here and reading." Second post was summing up D1. Her third post analyzes Greenie's posts.

Nerwen and Lommy are the names that came up here so keep an eye on them toDay I suppose.

Her next post is mostly more summaries. She offers a few comments outside of her summary.

Cop - feels Greenie was a trailless kill. Could be, though I think the maniac discussion was probably involved.

(About Boro)Doesn't like Nog's vote as he doesn't get the reasoning. I see where Nog got the reasoning from, so this didn't strike me as oddly as it does Boro.

(Also in referral to Boro)Says Kitanna and sally voted in the interest of self preservation. And yes, they did, but neither of them made that clear which was odd. Votes Lottie based on his earlier reasoning.

Then her vote post.

From yesterDay, I think Kitanna and sally's votes are suspicious. They are both clearly self preservation votes and this is acceptable as an innocent, and understandable as a wolf. What I find odd is that neither of them actually admitted to that.

That Nog changed his suspicions through the Day made me feel happier about my early wonderings about him.

From my look at Greenie I think Lommy and Nerwen bear watching, but neither has leapt out as suspicious toDay to me.

So if Kath is a wolf she could have been using Nerwen to make herself look good, but saying she saw her suspicious. Then if Nerwen was lynched and died a wolf, Kath would have that slight suspicion on record. The same could be said to be true if Sally died a wolf.
She ended up voting me.

Also interesting to note is something Lottie said that I missed

So this caught my eye as being...off. I don't know Kath's playing style very well, but this post of hers came off as being at once flippant - "they are both clearly self preservation votes", "I rather feel lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information" - and, at the same time, almost grasping at suspicions. For one thing, her suspicions about Kit and Sally are flimsy at best, but she phrases them as though they're simple and clean-cut and obvious. She mentions Nog, Nerwen, and Lommy, but doesn't actually say anything about them - basically a "I thought they might be suspicious but I don't know" kind of statement that doesn't do anyone much good. I'm not at all happy with this vote, and Kath has definitely jumped to the top of my list.

If the wolves thought Lottie was seer based on her defense of Sally, I wonder if they noticed this and thought perhaps Lottie had dreamt Kath as well?

There's not a whole lot to say about Kath otherwise.