T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

Originally Posted by Shasta

The responsible thing to do would be to vote and break the tie in favor of lynching the most suspicious of Rune, BG, and Morsul. Trouble is, they all look innocent. Except BG, but that's because she hasn't been here to look like much of anything.

How could I be suspicious of BG? She wasn't even here to be suspicious of!

[Loslote]

++Morsul
++BG

Just on principle, mind. I've given myself a headache from facepalming over you two, and I'm waiting for it to die down before I try and get an actual opinion on either of you. Just...stop with the gifteds, stop trying to be mysterious, stop pulling rabbits out of hats and calling them theories.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game

You are my favorite person.

On another note, I've had a really long first day back in classes, and I need to go to sleep soon, so I'm afraid toDay is not going to see an awful lot of me.

[Loslote]

Okay. So. I generally seem to agree with Kit. I haven't really seen enough of either Sally or Shasta to make any judgements there...though Sally's vote yesterDay did seem much more suspicious, since I meant my BG vote to be mostly a throw-away. I can see why she did it, but that doesn't necessarily clear her name. G55 has been an absolutely delight toDay, and I don't know how to reconcile that with her Hacker-like performance yesterDay - a new strategy? An off Day? I'll withhold judgement on her, too.

As for the Gifted Duo, I think BG is barking up the wrong tree and could get us all killed with her gifted talk - but I don't think she means to be doing it. I'm inclined to let her go for now. As for Morsul, I think he's enjoying this far too much to be confused about what he's doing. He's being purposefully vague and mysterious while throwing out gifted hints left and right. If one of the two were bot-ic, I'd guess it'd be him.

As for the quieter of the group, I've found Boro and Legate pretty inoffensive thus far. They haven't posted a huge amount, but what they have posted has been about what I'd expect from them.

At this point, we have two votes, one for Sally and one for Shasta. I'm not really interested in lynching either at this point. I'm gonna throw in a new name here...

++Morsul

Have fun with that. I'm going to sleep.

EDIT: xed with Sally

[Morsul the Dark]

Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

Shasta's sig...

I didn't even notice part of it was Boro's... typical; Morsul fail all around on that one.

[Morsul the Dark]

"his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective"

she mashed the two together

[Morsul the Dark]

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...

Well, you and G55 wouldn't both pull a false reveal...right?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...

Oh my!!! No, please! Not again! Okay, well, fair enough. I sincerely don't think this would be a fake reveal, because I see no logic for a Wolf doing so. Anyway though. Not very wise, truth be told, but if we can rule you out from voting, fine. But I suggest not saying target aloud, because then the WWs will know whether they can target you or not. While other people would not! So please be so kind and stay silent!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Now I can tell you I'm the hunter. trying to think if I should say my target because if it's wrong and the baddies team up...

WHY DID YOU REVEAL? NOOOOOOO!!!!

DO NOT reveal your huntee!

[Morsul the Dark]

possible bots and hacker
Legate
Kitanna
Boromir88


presuming innocent
Galadriel55
Morsul the Dark
Shasta

Possible Hacker
BG

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Shasta's sig...

I didn't even notice part of it was Boro's... typical; Morsul fail all around on that one.

True, actually, not as much fail. Quite interesting, in fact. I was typically blindly dismissing that as banter, but... might it have some relevance? Such as, a signal? (To expected Wolves? Assuming there would be two?) And then in the light of this, the interesting dicussion that took place prior to that, namely,

(start of the game, a few people post)

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am a wolf.

Her first post - aka, "I am a Cobbler" (messing around)?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

If we can believe the narrations, there's a TomBot and a LucyBot, meaning there's two bad guys. However, we have a fair amount of people, so I wonder if we couldn't expect three? I'm inclined to think, with eleven people, three baddies might be a bit harsh (they'd only have to survive two lynches), so I'm going to operate, at least for now, on the assumption that we have two baddies.

Shasta mentioned two baddies... He did not really get much involved with G55 from his side, but maybe G55 as Hacker just might have thought him to be one, or just tested, anyway, and assumed that there would be two later, if Shasta were one of them, and telling the truth? (Though why would he? Anyway, this is not relevant, this is just to illustrate G55 if she were a Hacker's mind processes for her to come to the conclusion below.)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'd rather we have wolves. Spambots are nasty business. Years I've spent honing my wolf lynching skills, only to now have spammers. How do you even begin finding the bots?

Now actually I could see it as Wolf-reply to Hacker, in this light.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

go to this site its great for finding bots the best out there completely free I used to be for flip-flopping. Now I'm against it if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective only 2.99 if you buy today

So, then this could be the Hacker testing the water for two assumed Wolves? (Quoting the sigs of two she thinks might be WWs, so as to let them know, or perhaps seek confirmation?)

But this really seems to me like such a wild theory (and really such a wild progress from the Hacker and Wolves, or at least one Wolf, if Boro was so) that I would not have believed it just from scratch.

Anyway, all of this is pure mind exercise until G55 actually comes back. Personally, even though all the above really looks suspicious, I would suggest following with what G55 says. I am most curious whom she is going to name as innocents, most of all.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So, then this could be the Hacker testing the water for two assumed Wolves? (Quoting the sigs of two she thinks might be WWs, so as to let them know, or perhaps seek confirmation?)

To be honest, you're giving this post waaay too much thought, although I like the discussion as it can lead to clues. Boro's sig was completely random. Shasta's was there because it mentioned clairvoyant powers.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am most curious whom she is going to name as innocents, most of all.

Morsul, obviously. He was my first dream. Hence just about everything I've said. If you go back to, like, my first "real" post, I even hint at him. I'll quote it once I'm finished reading. I was hoping he was hinting back in a post a bit later, but then realized it's too subtle so probably isn't a hint. If you want to look for it in the meantime, feel free. I thought it would be obvious enough for people analyzing my posts post-mortem.

[Morsul the Dark]

Actually I picked up on the sig thing page one worked from that went for Rune day one because I knew The Shasta thing wouldn't pan out well, which it seems wasn't bad.

I'm fairly certain if Shasta was a bot I would have been night killed avoiding saying who gave me the clue made it seem like I was seer(something I hadn't really thought out.)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

For those of us playing the "reading comprehension" game, this is the sum total of what I said about BG yesterday.

There, there, darling. I see exactly what you said, and I agree with you. It's not saying, "BG is suspicious because she's in a different category as everyone else," so much as saying, "No one is suspicious, except BG, but that's because she's not even here." Except actually saying that, rather than kind of saying that.

That paragraph got away from me.

*nuzzles Shasta*

Morsul, on the other hand, does have some explaining to do, for this post, in which he implies he's picked up on a seer hint that incriminates Shasta but doesn't want to point it out. You realize of course that the bots can now find the seer more easily, even without your hint about the hint you found?

It bothers me that Morsul didn't try to build a case (even a flimsy one) against Shasta beforehand, but instead put it right out there that he found a seer hint implicating the lad. It almost would bother me more if he turns out innocent than it would if it turns out he's guilty, because I can't think of why any innocent would think to betray a gifted like that.

Also, Kitanna suspects BG and then votes me for my "suspicious" vote of BG. Iiiiiiiiiinteresting indeed. I don't like the deflection there, especially since BG has in fact been acting off.

On that note, I'll certainly offer a brief explanation. I was operating under a similar thought process that Lottie and, to some extent, Shasta were. When you don't see a suspicious character among you, you suspect the one you don't see. Well, not suspect, really, given that she wasn't there to be suspected, as Shasta said, but this sums up my vote nicely.

Originally Posted by me

I'd prefer to just cut our losses and take out the possible blind threat (pun absolutely intended).

Then of course BG showed up and the reason I voted for her was a moot point, as she was there and contributing (sort of) to the thread. Therefore, regret.

Another point of interest entirely is the following vote post from Legate, which doesn't sit right with me at all.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, okay. I feel really bad because a) I haven't played with Rune for a long time, b) I really don't think he is that suspicious that he would deserve a vote (but nobody is), c) Rune is still here at Finlandmoot for one day, so I just hope I get off with it without having arms broken as repayment... Then again, hopefully this game will be short so we can interact soon in some other game, and even more hopefully he is just a Bot.

++Rune

Let's hope for the best.

The jocular tone of this is just fine. However, the fact that he goes out of his way to point out that Rune is suspicious *and* that "hopefully he is just a Bot" doesn't seem like the way the real Legate would explain such a vote. It's mostly gut instinct, but it's such a strong instinct that I can't ignore it. His question about the rules, and then the fact that he happened to vote Rune after Rune called him on said question about the rules, also makes bells tingle.

Oh, wait. That's my alarm clock going off, or rather the thought of my alarm clock going off in a few short hours. Time to summarize then.

My top suspects are Legate, Morsul, and Kit, more or less in that order. I also think BG is acting far too wacky to be an ordo, though everyone's clanging so loudly about her that I'm not sure if those are my own bells I'm hearing go off or if I'm merely hearing echoes.

I've a few brief things to do before bed, but I'll be voting soon.

[satansaloser2005]

It's time for me to cast in my bow tie along with Morsul's.

Morsul, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt toDay. You'll not see the generosity I showed you yesterday again, however, if you don't stop with this confounded "I know who the seer is but I'm not telling so just listen to me" stuff. Speak plainly of such matters or not at all. At this stage, the latter is preferable, as exposing gifteds will only get us into trouble. I'd hate to see the spammers win because an innocent accidentally fed them information. That also goes for others lurking around the thread. Let gifteds reveal themselves if they so choose. If you think you see a credible hint, feel free to act upon it, but don't jeopardize the life of a gifted if it's not necessary.

That said, Legate's simply pinged my radar too hard toDay, and I must vote accordingly.

++Legate

Which brings us to....

Morsul-->Shasta
Kit-->Sally
Lottie-->Morsul
Sally-->Legate

And with that, I bid you all good night, and also good Night. Sleep well and vote even better.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Morsul, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt toDay. You'll not see the generosity I showed you yesterday again, however, if you don't stop with this confounded "I know who the seer is but I'm not telling so just listen to me" stuff. Speak plainly of such matters or not at all. At this stage, the latter is preferable, as exposing gifteds will only get us into trouble.

This here, is troubling, I'm being vague so I Don't lead spammers anywhere I specifically mention no posts or people for a reason. If I speak more "Plainly" I would for sure give the person away. Like I said what I saw literally could mean zip.

Lottie and Sally both seem to think I'm throwing out hints "left and right" even though I purposefully left no trail. They however give BGa free pass?

x'ed Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Huh-huh. Time is running out, and I have to leave even before DL... I am thinking that I could also cast my vote for somebody of the "dark entities" I am very uncertain about, it would also remove an unknown from my list. By elimination method, in fact, for instance Sally would not be that a bad idea - also because, now on re-checking her posts, her vote yesterDay could really be opportunistic AND her vote toDay at least does not point to her in a positive manner, and also, it could be seen as either wannabe-throwaway or attempt to divert attention from something else... but then again, it is not on very solid grounds, but nothing for me seems to be. Something similar with Boro, as a dark enigma and somewhat uncertain about his playstyle, but then again, he looks okay otherwise.

So, what else. Then either I'd cast something for BG, despite her innocent-looking remorse, or maybe G55, on grounds I mentioned earlier in the Day, but that's all very weak. Thinking in circles; now I'll post this and see who else is around, if anyone... then I have to vote in a couple of minutes.

EDIT: x-ed with G55 and Boro

[Galadriel55]

Morsul-->Shasta
Kit-->Sally
Lottie-->Morsul
Sally-->Legate
Shasta-->sally (2)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. A collection of random thoughts before I vote and go...

Definitely have to keep an eye on G55 toMorrow. Probably not voting her toDay. But she just creeps me out.

In case I am not alive toMorrow, bear in mind voting patterns - check them out and such, by toMorrow, they could tell something.

I think Boro is quite okay. Confused about Morsul, but still no reason to vote him.

And I think I may end up voting Sally after all. Last check of thread, then vote...

EDIT: x-ed with two Galadriels

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

...AND her vote toDay at least does not point to her in a positive manner, and also, it could be seen as either wannabe-throwaway or attempt to divert attention from something else...

Actually, I thought her vote looked a bit better. I don't get where her suspicion is coming from, though, which is withing the pattern. But it's better than her D1 vote. Arrrgh! votes! I think that her toDay's vote could be looked on as either an improvement or a continuation of her yesterDay's streak. At any rate, I find her behaviour more suspicious than her vote.

[Galadriel55]

People, are you alive? I can't believe I'm tripple posting in the last 20 minutes before DL.

[Boromir88]

Staring at the screen longer isn't going to help me...I'm not a fun person in the morning.

Morsul looks really bad voting Shasta and saying he can't tell us why because it's to protect seer hints. But I agree that also just what he's saying looks genuine, in the "I'm getting frustrated trust me" genuine sense.

Lottie and sally object but I'm really confused by sally's votes Day 1 and today.

++sally

edit: crossed with some Legates and a G55