Hurt and Heal: Ladies' Round

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Legate dear, what's your problem with Thuringwethil?

I don't have any problem with her, but she is among the least interesting of the present people. I mean, there is really nothing whatsoever about her in the books, what is one supposed to do with that? In any case, certainly she should not have, like, twelve points or what it was.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't have any problem with her, but she is among the least interesting of the present people. I mean, there is really nothing whatsoever about her in the books, what is one supposed to do with that? In any case, certainly she should not have, like, twelve points or what it was.

She's a vampire! She can fly! She's Lúthien in disguise, or some Maia's physical form that Lúthien stole. And she's my personal title. What's not cool about that?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She's a vampire! She can fly! She's Lúthien in disguise, or some Maia's physical form that Lúthien stole. And she's my personal title. What's not cool about that?

Especially the latter, of course Vampires are overrated. Flying is cool, but Thorondor can do that too and probably better, and who knows whether balrogs can't do that too She would probably have been somewhat interesting had there been any information whatsoever about her. Alas, there is none, not even a little bit to stir some imagination. I consider that Tolkien's failure a bit, but maybe it just wasn't important enough. And that brings me back to my point.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Especially the latter, of course Vampires are overrated. Flying is cool, but Thorondor can do that too and probably better, and who knows whether balrogs can't do that too She would probably have been somewhat interesting had there been any information whatsoever about her. Alas, there is none, not even a little bit to stir some imagination. I consider that Tolkien's failure a bit, but maybe it just wasn't important enough. And that brings me back to my point.

But Thorondor isn't female. I don't think it's a failure on Tolkien's part, insomuch as not finishing The Silmarillion before dying was a failure. And what, don't you like mysterious ladies?

[the phantom]

But of course when Tolkien fails to provide an adequate back-story and details, it forces us to invent our own to bridge the gap- which means Thuringwethil is precisely as awesome as Maria's imagination can make her.

And apparently the answer to "how awesome?" is "12" on a 0 to 10 scale.

Sounds about right.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But Thorondor isn't female. I don't think it's a failure on Tolkien's part, insomuch as not finishing The Silmarillion before dying was a failure. And what, don't you like mysterious ladies?

Truth be told, no. I think the whole concept of mysterious ladies is kinda overused and, therefore, overrated and boring already. Or at least the way it's usually done. A vampire mysterious lady brings to mind the worst clichés. I would at least hope that Tolkien would have made his vampire woman something more than the average B-class vampire movie main star, though at his time it probably wasn't the same thing.

Originally Posted by the phantom

But of course when Tolkien fails to provide an adequate back-story and details, it forces us to invent our own to bridge the gap- which means Thuringwethil is precisely as awesome as Maria's imagination can make her.

And apparently the answer to "how awesome?" is "12" on a 0 to 10 scale.

Sounds about right.

Sure, sure. Personally, I am all for the reader's invention. But exactly: for me, she is just a boring batwoman.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Sounds about right.

Yes, it does.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

A vampire mysterious lady brings to mind the worst clichés. I would at least hope that Tolkien would have made his vampire woman something more than the average B-class vampire movie main star, though at his time it probably wasn't the same thing..

Give the Professor some credit. Are any of his heroes or heroines B-class action film stars?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Give the Professor some credit. Are any of his heroes or heroines B-class action film stars?

They are not, but that's exactly what I am wondering about then. Where did this idea come from? And anyway, so how do *you* imagine Thuringwethil? Because you make it sound like that it is not the average B-class movie lady vampire, so what is it, then?