Cryptic Clues

[Mithalwen]

Messed up probably indicates an anagram and I suspect grren land is the s traight clue. But I keep thinking of Ossiriand which doesn't work...hmmm ponders

[Mithalwen]

Tol Morwen? Not convinced but the papers bit is hard and there is almost a n anagram of news in there.

[Ardent]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Green land exiled lady in papers after messed up signal

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Tol Morwen? Not convinced but the papers bit is hard and there is almost a n anagram of news in there.

I thought signal could be an anagram of lingas, as in Eorlingas. Eowyn was kind of exiled when she became the Lady of Ithilien, but again the papers bit doesn't fit.


Green land could be a garden, and Elanor Gardener (an almost anagram) was kind of exiled to Undertowers after the palantir of the Havens and the last of the Fellowship sailed West. She inherited the Book of Westmarch from Sam which could account for the papers, but it seems a stretch to interpret the palantir as a "messed up signal". Perhaps it was in the sense that it looked to the West, providing communication with a land now lost.

[Galadriel55]

Should I tell you or should I not? I think I should.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I keep thinking of Ossiriand which doesn't work...

But it does. Can you now just give the reason?

[Mithalwen]

Ah well I suppose Rian could be an exiled lady, in ID ie papers in the sense of documents (as I told lovely Heren Istarion once the motto of the French republuc is Liberte Egality Vos Papiers ) and the signal is SOS rearranged into Oss... bravo.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Ah well I suppose Rian could be an exiled lady, in ID ie papers in the sense of documents (as I told lovely Heren Istarion once the motto of the French republuc is Liberte Egality Vos Papiers ) and the signal is SOS rearranged into Oss... bravo.

That's right on. The thread is yours.

[Mithalwen]

So much easier when you know the answer.

Lets try...

Kick up a fuss but take direction to find a range.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

So much easier when you know the answer.

Lets try...

Kick up a fuss but take direction to find a range.

I can't find a mountain range in any Middle-earth language that works.

It can't possibly be something to do with ARAGORN, can it? As in Ranger, not range? "Rag" is something you lose if you're cross/kicking up a fuss, N is a direction, all letters of range except E are in his name?

(No, didn't think so). :embarrassed:

[Galadriel55]

Pervinca, you've given me an idea. It could be drama + N, kicked up=mixedd up, to give ANDRAM, a relatively insignificant mountain range in mid-Beleriand.

[Pervinca Took]

Quite tuneful before the loss of the Ulster connection, this palindromic meanie wears a hat dead-centre.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Quite tuneful before the loss of the Ulster connection, this palindromic meanie wears a hat dead-centre.

Palindrom that;s same forward and back that's te only thing in that clue that gives me remotely anything.

[Mithalwen]

With a bit of reverse engineering I think Mim is the answer to this initially daunting clue. I Eeeked when I first saw it! Thanks to Nerwen's favourite spambot we know that very few Tolkien names begin and end with the same letter let alone being a palindrome. Then wearing a hat suggests a circonflex on the middle letter. Ulster connection suggested NI for northern Ireland. Wrapping Mim around NI gives the musical term mimim.

[Pervinca Took]

Exactly! I thought it would have been too much of a giveaway if I'd only included the last part of the clue. I'd already indicated that the answer was a villain, and I can't think offhand of any palindromes besides Mim in Tolkien's universe (plus the hat indicates the circumflex, as you rightly said).

Minim is a palindrome too, of course.

Well done Mithalwen - over to you!