Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by G55

I have to say that while Lommy's vote explanation seemed lousy at first glance, I'm quite impressed with it, considering how little there is to go on from. That is probably the most reasonable thing toDay.

Really? All I see is an explanation of a Day 1 vote based on a feeling that "Inzil feels lazy." Passable, for Day 1, but I'm curious as to why you're so impressed with it.

I don't really care for Cop's reason for suspecting G55, and I'm not sure I understand her reason for Inzil. Mind explaining, Cop?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

This was a pretty good catch, my sun in splendor.

Originally Posted by Legate

Anyway, now I should say, that however I appreciate Boro's effort, I must say something strikes me as false in that whole behavior (up to the "I forgot that Lommy voted" - for some reason, that struck me as false, I don't know why, but it just seems that way). Partially also I agree with Copper, why don't you also play this game, even though you have removed yourself (rather illogically) from the list (if it's meant to be for everyone, there is no need for making a "subjective" list if everyone is supposed to try it anyway).

This seems a bit silly, honestly. One the one hand, you think it's good that Boro brought up some discussion, then immediately seem to suspect him for it. I don't really understand that at all...

Originally Posted by G55

This actually stands out in a negative way. It's like Lommy is saying take a good look at Cop, but I'm not having any part in that suspicion! - but in a less exaggerated way.

I do see what you mean, actually. I don't think Lommy will be back by DL to say anything about it, however, so I'm hesitant to vote for her today as I haven't really seen anything else about her.

Originally Posted by Cop

Very sure, thank you. But you commenting on that and trying to make it look like a signal does give me something extra to analyse about whether or not you're the Cobbler or a wolf, given that the gist of my comment settled on it being more likely that your statement was a Cobbler or wolf sign. Granted, I haven't suspected you a huge amount yet.

I'm not sure my heart had to work very hard to make it look like a signal, Cop.

Originally Posted by Cop

In that case, I'm planning to vote for Inzil unless something comes up before deadline.

The reason I'm not planning on voting for the other person I suspect right now, G55, is because I like her gut feeling list of suspicions and think it might be from the thought process of an innocent. She's also posted with further analysis. Although the bit where she's said I have "no real suspicions" while...actually pretty much true, does skim over the fact that she was at joint first place in my suspicions, flimsy as those suspicions are.

I'm a little more bothered by this - it's almost as if Cop has locked herself into only considering two people to vote, and isn't really at pains to choose one from the other. It strikes me a bit as someone who doesn't really care too much about their vote.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Right now I'm probably going to vote sally, but I'm willing to give her another hour or so to show up. Silence is most assuredly not golden here, but will just get you a lump of coal in your stocking.

Why Sally, and not Eonwe, who's been just as silent? (note - Eonwe actually did post after this, but the point stands)

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Why Sally, and not Eonwe, who's been just as silent? (note - Eonwe actually did post after this, but the point stands)

Honestly, he was so quiet I'd forgotten he existed. But seeing as he's contributed since then, he has deferred my wrath toDay.

I've given her an hour, and still nothing.
++sally
Let that be a warning to those who would remain silent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't like these votes for Sally. You guys can't honestly think Sally all people is the type to remain quiet on purpose, can you? I mean, it's Sally. Honestly, Boro's and McCaber's votes seem a lot like cop-outs to me.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also, Cop, Legate is male.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well, I've made up my mind.
++Boro

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Chain of events -

Eonwe at #79:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Boro - Pretty funny so far, but he hasn't given much. So far it looks like he's tried to do a phantom (i.e. force a discussion that he wants) twice, which I don't like out of principle. Of course, that suggest innocence or guilt, but he doesn't feel like the innocent Boro I'm used to.

...

Legate - Asks the moddess useful questions, but of course, this doesn't speak for his innocence or guilt, since the answers benefit every role. I was going to say that this makes him least likely to be a cobbler, but then I realised that this would probably be a really good early-game tactic for a cobbler.

Eonwe at #85:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

-Legate. I'm not really finding him that innocent now that I look over him, but I'm not inclined to single him out for the lynch toDay because he's generating some good discussion at least.

Eonwe at #92:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

I'm currently considering the idea of Boro-Legate pack, but I'm not sure they'd be that obvious when there're only two of them.

Eonwe at #97:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Ok, well, I've made up my mind.
++Boro

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So... this is another vote that looks like it's been carefully set up throughout the day (or the past couple hours, as the case may be.) Hm.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

So... this is another vote that looks like it's been carefully set up throughout the day (or the past couple hours, as the case may be.) Hm.

It's more that I'd rather Boro than Sally or Zil.

[Inziladun]

Lommy--> Inzil (1)
Legate--> Boro (1) *Not bolded
Cop--> Inzil (2)
Boro--> Sally (1)
McCaber--> Sally (2)
Steve--> Boro (2)

I have to agree with Shasta: there's better choices than Sally.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Cop

I don't understand your thought process there. Those were the two people I suspected the most, and then one of them did something to make me suspect her less, so I voted for the other one. Why would that make my vote one that I don't care about? I would hate to cast a random vote, which is why I voted for the person I suspected the most.

I can understand that those were the two you found most suspicious, but it seemed to me that you had decided "Okay, these are the two I'm going to decide between" and basically left everyone else alone. I didn't really see a reason to have narrowed the field to two people so early.

[Inziladun]

Since it doesn't look like anyone's going to go with my top suspect, I have to think of myself here.

++Boro

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Really? All I see is an explanation of a Day 1 vote based on a feeling that "Inzil feels lazy." Passable, for Day 1, but I'm curious as to why you're so impressed with it.

Because it has any logical reasoning at all behind it. This Day1 was mighty unproductive at the time that she voted.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't like these votes for Sally. You guys can't honestly think Sally all people is the type to remain quiet on purpose, can you? I mean, it's Sally. Honestly, Boro's and McCaber's votes seem a lot like cop-outs to me.

Well yes...but in times without clear ideas or seeing what anyone is up to, it's usually a safe bet to go for someone up to nothing, especially on Day 1.

For instance, think I'm blind to the fact Legate, Copper, and G55 are up to something...but whether that be good or bad I can't quite determine yet. But given enough time, usually you can tell soon enough.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

For instance, think I'm blind to the fact Legate, Copper, and G55 are up to something...but whether that be good or bad I can't quite determine yet. But given enough time, usually you can tell soon enough.

What, really? That's the first I know about being up to something. I assure you that I have no idea what you're talking about. But thanks for mentioning it - I'll definitely take a look at the posts to try to see what you mean. If you're willing to point out what it is, that would be helpful.

Edit: cross-posted with Inzil, Eonwe.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't really care for Cop's reason for suspecting G55, and I'm not sure I understand her reason for Inzil. Mind explaining, Cop?

My suspicion of G55 or my suspicion for Inzil, or both?

I explained both of those here:

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

People I'm currently considering voting for:

G55 the Reindeer. Well. I wasn't entirely joking when I suggested that we examined the "Christmas cheer" statements from people. I wondered above whether a Christmas-hating wolf would suggest a snow monument for Suzy Snowflake, and actually, reflecting on that, I think one might. Yes, I know this is super flimsy reasoning. Right now I'm not getting any feelings of "G55 is innocent" from her comments.

Inzil the Snowman. I feel uneasy about Inzil's comments, but I can't put my finger on why, and don't want to make a mistake. He suggested that analysing things too much at this point could be damaging, which is true, especially for the Boro-Nerwen-Lommy thing he was talking about. But we have to analyse based on what we have in front of us, or not at all, so there's no choice. Maybe it was his suggestion that it would harm the Christmas spirit that's bothering me.

As you see, it's not a lot to go by. At the time, looking at G55's comments, she also seemed to not be saying a lot of substance. I found that later on, her comments had more substance to them. I also found that her reasoning on her gut-feeling suspicion list was reasonable, which...

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

The reason I'm not planning on voting for the other person I suspect right now, G55, is because I like her gut feeling list of suspicions and think it might be from the thought process of an innocent. She's also posted with further analysis.

So my suspicion of G55 lessened a bit.

Inzil's posts made me feel suspicious and didn't appear to say much. Since the point I said I intended to vote for him, he's been fairly hard to read and hasn't done anything to change my opinion much. At the very least, voting for the person I suspected the most at the time has allowed me to look at the behaviour of people who have posted afterwards. Better to vote then and allow time for discussion. I hate it when voting comes down to the last minute.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm a little more bothered by this - it's almost as if Cop has locked herself into only considering two people to vote, and isn't really at pains to choose one from the other. It strikes me a bit as someone who doesn't really care too much about their vote.

I don't understand your thought process there. Those were the two people I suspected the most, and then one of them did something to make me suspect her less, so I voted for the other one. Why would that make my vote one that I don't care about? I would hate to cast a random vote, which is why I voted for the person I suspected the most.

Edit: cross-posted with Shasta, Boro and B55.