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Old 10-11-2012, 06:18 PM   #1
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If Gandalf thought Narya would be an indicator that Sauron had regained the One, I see no reason he would have associated the darkness with Frodo's intended destination.
Of course, this report from Faramir pre-dates the Battle of Pelennor and the encounter with the Mouth of Sauron before the Black Gate. Since this is mostly pure speculation anyway, I would speculate that Gandalf would be more likely to make use of his Ring to "enhance" the diversionary impact of the Battle at the Black Gate, as opposed to hiding it before then, and making Sauron aware that one of the Three was right outside his door, tempting him to strike, while at the same time allowing Gandalf the chance to determine whether Sauron had recovered the One (if such actions could be extracted through Narya. I'm not sure how it works, but this is all rather speculative, as has been mentioned.)
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:40 AM   #2
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I think that it was not the moment when Sauron finished the Ring but when he first wore it on his finger (which of course might have been nearly the same) that the Elve could feel his intentions and therefore took their rings of.
Gandalfs fear when he saw the darkness and heared Faramirs report of the way Frodo and Sam had chosen, might have been that either Sauron had regained the Ring but not yet used it or that Sauron had learned how to conceal his usage of the Ring.

Sauron had a long chance to practice, while he worked with the Men destinied to become Nazgûl and the dwarvisch ring bearers while the Eves and Gandalf had never any chance to parctice the detection of Saurons invluence through the Rings (they simply never used it while Sauron held the One Ring).

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Old 10-12-2012, 08:37 AM   #3
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I think that it was not the moment when Sauron finished the Ring but when he first wore it on his finger (which of course might have been nearly the same) that the Elve could feel his intentions and therefore took their rings of.
Gandalfs fear when he saw the darkness and heared Faramirs report of the way Frodo and Sam had chosen, might have been that either Sauron had regained the Ring but not yet used it or that Sauron had learned how to conceal his usage of the Ring.

Sauron had a long chance to practice, while he worked with the Men destinied to become Nazgûl and the dwarvisch ring bearers while the Eves and Gandalf had never any chance to parctice the detection of Saurons invluence through the Rings (they simply never used it while Sauron held the One Ring).

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That makes sense, it would account for Gandalf's anxiety, but he could also have feared that the Ring had been lost if Frodo and Sam had died, which would have meant that, though they were diverting Sauron's attention, they were merely delaying their doom. Had Frodo and Sam died, Sauron would eventually have found the Ring, it is inevitable.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:45 AM   #4
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I have just realized why I feel so lost about Frodo's Mithril Coat and the Mouth of Sauron, when obviously the original thread question has been discussed in the book.

It's because I read the RoTK in ebook format, and chapter 10 "The Black Gate Opens" is missing in my version. Go figure. Is there a chance that anyone has the text of Chapter 10 "The Black Gate opens"? (if its allowed to be posted here)

The first time I read the books years back, I did remember that there was something about the war in front of the gates, but this time I didn't see anything. I remembered Pippin attacking a troll and then nearly dying under the crush of bodies, though this time it wasn't there.. and I also remember someone calling either Theoden or Denethor "dried up old stick." Err... does this last part happen somewhere? Or is this something totally unrelated I have mixed up with book facts?
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:46 AM   #5
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Runes, check your local library for a copy of RotR so you can reread the missing chapter. Posting whole chapters online is not permitted by copyright law.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #6
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Like Esty said, you wouldn't find the whole chapter. But you might find summaries. Here's one from Tolkien Gateway.

If calls the Mouth the Lieutenant, but they are one and the same person, and both names are used in the book. It also doesn't mention that Gandalf took the objects from the Mouth. I think it's a good summary in general.
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