How did Frodo get his Mithril Coat back?

[Puddleglum]

Originally Posted by Runes

Thanks, this is interesting! Is this all speculation, or was this info revealed somewhere? Sorry, I'm quite a Tolkien-novice. I've only read the Hobbit and LoTR once before the movies came out, and once again recently.

It's in the book: Return of the King, chp "The Black Gate Opens".
He calls himself "The Mouth of Sauron", says he has tokens to show, in especial, to Gandalf, declares the tokens are proof that the mission of the "spies" Gandalf had sent into Mordor has failed and that they will be tortured and broken if the Captains do not meet Sauron's terms (essentially to surrender).

The Movies here are wrong. Aragorn does not suddenly behead the Mouth. Instead, Gandalf is the one who, for a moment, unveils his glory and, in the momentary shock (to the Mouth) comes and takes the tokens from him declaring:

These we will take in memory of our friend. But as for your terms, we reject them utterly.
Get you gone, for your embassy is over and death is near to you.
We did not come here to waste words in treating with Sauron, faithless and accursed; still less with one of his slaves. Begone!

Really an *In Your Face, Mouth* moment!!

The Mouth is filled with rage, but also fear; turns and gallops back to the Black Gate with his embassy - blowing horns to sound the attack.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

One also suspects, although this is nowhere stated, that had Sauron recovered the Ring Gandalf, as the bearer of Narya, would have been aware of it - just as the original bearers of the Three were aware of the One the moment Sauron completed it.

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

One also suspects, although this is nowhere stated, that had Sauron recovered the Ring Gandalf, as the bearer of Narya, would have been aware of it - just as the original bearers of the Three were aware of the One the moment Sauron completed it.

That is perfectly logical.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

One also suspects, although this is nowhere stated, that had Sauron recovered the Ring Gandalf, as the bearer of Narya, would have been aware of it - just as the original bearers of the Three were aware of the One the moment Sauron completed it.

If that were the case though, what would account for Gandalf's obvious anxiety when he learned from Faramir that Frodo had headed for Cirith Ungol, and apparently equated the darkness from Mordor with Frodo's capture?

Pippin became aware that Gandalf's hands were trembling....with a thrill of fear Pippin knew that Gandalf, Gandalf himself, was troubled, even afraid.

Faramir gleaned the source of Gandalf's worry.

'Indeed I see what you fear. But the darkness is not due to [Frodo and Sam's] venture....It is clear to me that the Enemy has long planned an assault on us, and [the darkness's] hour had already been determined before ever the travellers left my keeping.'

ROTK The Siege of Gondor

If Gandalf thought Narya would be an indicator that Sauron had regained the One, I see no reason he would have associated the darkness with Frodo's intended destination.

[radagastly]

If Gandalf thought Narya would be an indicator that Sauron had regained the One, I see no reason he would have associated the darkness with Frodo's intended destination.

Of course, this report from Faramir pre-dates the Battle of Pelennor and the encounter with the Mouth of Sauron before the Black Gate. Since this is mostly pure speculation anyway, I would speculate that Gandalf would be more likely to make use of his Ring to "enhance" the diversionary impact of the Battle at the Black Gate, as opposed to hiding it before then, and making Sauron aware that one of the Three was right outside his door, tempting him to strike, while at the same time allowing Gandalf the chance to determine whether Sauron had recovered the One (if such actions could be extracted through Narya. I'm not sure how it works, but this is all rather speculative, as has been mentioned.)

[Findegil]

I think that it was not the moment when Sauron finished the Ring but when he first wore it on his finger (which of course might have been nearly the same) that the Elve could feel his intentions and therefore took their rings of.
Gandalfs fear when he saw the darkness and heared Faramirs report of the way Frodo and Sam had chosen, might have been that either Sauron had regained the Ring but not yet used it or that Sauron had learned how to conceal his usage of the Ring.

Sauron had a long chance to practice, while he worked with the Men destinied to become Nazgûl and the dwarvisch ring bearers while the Eves and Gandalf had never any chance to parctice the detection of Saurons invluence through the Rings (they simply never used it while Sauron held the One Ring).

Respectfuly
Findegil

[MCRmyGirl4eva]

Originally Posted by Findegil

I think that it was not the moment when Sauron finished the Ring but when he first wore it on his finger (which of course might have been nearly the same) that the Elve could feel his intentions and therefore took their rings of.
Gandalfs fear when he saw the darkness and heared Faramirs report of the way Frodo and Sam had chosen, might have been that either Sauron had regained the Ring but not yet used it or that Sauron had learned how to conceal his usage of the Ring.

Sauron had a long chance to practice, while he worked with the Men destinied to become Nazgûl and the dwarvisch ring bearers while the Eves and Gandalf had never any chance to parctice the detection of Saurons invluence through the Rings (they simply never used it while Sauron held the One Ring).

Respectfuly
Findegil

That makes sense, it would account for Gandalf's anxiety, but he could also have feared that the Ring had been lost if Frodo and Sam had died, which would have meant that, though they were diverting Sauron's attention, they were merely delaying their doom. Had Frodo and Sam died, Sauron would eventually have found the Ring, it is inevitable.

[Runes]

I have just realized why I feel so lost about Frodo's Mithril Coat and the Mouth of Sauron, when obviously the original thread question has been discussed in the book.

It's because I read the RoTK in ebook format, and chapter 10 "The Black Gate Opens" is missing in my version. Go figure. Is there a chance that anyone has the text of Chapter 10 "The Black Gate opens"? (if its allowed to be posted here)

The first time I read the books years back, I did remember that there was something about the war in front of the gates, but this time I didn't see anything. I remembered Pippin attacking a troll and then nearly dying under the crush of bodies, though this time it wasn't there.. and I also remember someone calling either Theoden or Denethor "dried up old stick." Err... does this last part happen somewhere? Or is this something totally unrelated I have mixed up with book facts?