Tolkien the freemason/ Priory of Sionist/Gnostic? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morthoron · 07-13-2012, 02:57 PM

Jack the Giant-killer, he who climbed the beanstalk, was a widow's son; ergo he was obviously a Freemason and perhaps a member of the Illuminati and a bastard son of a Templar knight.

Or perhaps, as Jallanite inferred, the "luck of widows' sons" is such a well-known motif in folktales that it has become stereotypical. Hence, Tolkien references it because it is a touchstone in folklore, as is the mention of "the rescue of princesses".

dreeness · 07-14-2012, 02:49 AM

Or perhaps Tolkien was slightly just taking the mick out of Freemasons in general, with a knowing wink to adult readers who would recognize the reference.

jallanite · 07-14-2012, 08:55 AM

There is no apparent winking in the reference to “the unexpected luck of widows’ sons”.

What would Tolkien be winking at in ascribing this to Gandalf?

The “unexpected luck of widows’ sons” is a very common feature of folk tales. It is not commonly noted when speaking of Masons.

Reading a Masonic reference into this phrase in this context is pointless.

07-13-2012, 02:57 PM	#1
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	Jack the Giant-killer, he who climbed the beanstalk, was a widow's son; ergo he was obviously a Freemason and perhaps a member of the Illuminati and a bastard son of a Templar knight. Or perhaps, as Jallanite inferred, the "luck of widows' sons" is such a well-known motif in folktales that it has become stereotypical. Hence, Tolkien references it because it is a touchstone in folklore, as is the mention of "the rescue of princesses". __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

07-14-2012, 02:49 AM	#2
dreeness Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 14	Or perhaps Tolkien was slightly just taking the mick out of Freemasons in general, with a knowing wink to adult readers who would recognize the reference. __________________ Ma gavte la nata

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07-14-2012, 08:55 AM	#3
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	There is no apparent winking in the reference to “the unexpected luck of widows’ sons”. What would Tolkien be winking at in ascribing this to Gandalf? The “unexpected luck of widows’ sons” is a very common feature of folk tales. It is not commonly noted when speaking of Masons. Reading a Masonic reference into this phrase in this context is pointless.