If the Valar had children...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Glorthelion

I'm not sure if Tolkien states that the Valar are allowed to have children. But imagine this:
If Manwe and Varda had a child, that child would be immortal, no doubt. But would the child be counted as a Valar or just a Maia?

Glorthelion

In the original conception of the stories, the Valar could have children. For example, in an early version, the child of Manwë and Varda is Fionwë. I think the idea of Valar and Maiar was less rigid at that point, but he was definitely considered of lower rank than his parents. I think that in the 'final' version, the difference between Valar and Maiar is more one of authority than essence, because, after all, they're all Ainur. The only difference is that the Valar are the ones in charge because they have more power, i.e. are the masters of their element, etc.

Of course, this raises many more questions, such as the nature of the Ainur themselves, and where such an essence would come from. I mean, could you really talk about the fëa of an Ainu? They could probably be called all fëa, but they're also beyond that, because they can create their own incarnations. So how would you be able to get a new being of that high nature? I reckon that's one reason Tolkein abandoned the idea. There's also the whole problem of the Ainulindalë. Would the children have participated in it? If so, then they would have been created outside Eä, in which case it's impossible for them to physically create offspring, and so they would have to have been made by Eru. If not, they would have been created as physical and part of the world, and therefore would not be Ainur at all, as they'd only have a physical form. And then what would they be?


Anyway, to answer your question, I think I'll go back to the case of Fionwë. He was originally conceived to be the child of Manwë, a Vala, but almost nothing else about him was changed by Tolkien when he became my namesake. He still has the same sort of position and role and power. So the answer would be a Maia, I think, from what we know of Tolkien's thoughts.

[Morthoron]

As Eönwë stated, the original conception of the Valar was that they were capable (and willing ) to bear children; however, Tolkien abandoned the concept and made it exceptional, as in the case of Melian taking the form of one of the Children of Iluvatar so that she could bear a child with Thingol.

[markyboy156]

I'm after more background on the children of the moon dwarves

also I can't find any where the racial stats
and full list of abilities for the half maiar/ half valar children of the moon dwarves
does any body please have this info if not

can anybody please make me up the racial stats and full powers of the moon dwarves
and as much background as possible on them

I've got a player who wants to play a moon dwarf need info asap thanks

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by markyboy156

I'm after more background on the children of the moon dwarves

also I can't find any where the racial stats
and full list of abilities for the half maiar/ half valar children of the moon dwarves
does any body please have this info if not

can anybody please make me up the racial stats and full powers of the moon dwarves
and as much background as possible on them

I've got a player who wants to play a moon dwarf need info asap thanks

You are in the wrong forum. There is nothing extant from Tolkien regarding "moon children". There is nothing canonical in Middle-earth lore to suit your purposes; therefore, I suggest you try some gaming or fan-fiction site. Otherwise, your request is likely to be ignored. Actually, I have surprised myself in this regard.