Game Thread: TIG XCII - Disaster by the Lake

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Where? What makes it look like that?
Yes statistics say so and all, but it's just as likely there was no wolf. Saying "a wolf was probably involved here or there" is entirely arbitrary and works only to cast suspicion on a certain group of players without reason - it's almost as good as saying "there's probably a wolf within the first third of the player list".

Not the first three, but the earlier talk about Bom. See what I wrote in #27.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

As for a), I wouldn't have to give credit to Bom's reveal. It would be a convenient situation for a wolf to alert the cobbler (or the other way round), whoever she is. The cobbler and/or the wolves surely being smart and all, they will keep an eye on me until I do something overtly innocent, and we'll see who laughs last.
And b)... have I actually done that?

a) Thanks for the education. b) Didn't you forget a there? Seriously, yes, I've at least once seen you trying to look like a cobbler to the wolves and/or vice versa.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by LupineGreen?

to sum up - he's reaching, first with Gal, then with Lottie. Both are known to be easy early lynches. I don't like it.

I was not reaching with Galadriel as I only asked from what role would she say that?

Also, I think I made it clear why I think Lottie looks suspicious. Greenie seems to have had no time or wish to comment on my explanation on that (#47). And what I said in #55 doesn't make Greenie look any better.

But seeing Inzil's eagerness to jump on what Greenie has been preparing looks not the less suspicious. Blah... the clock is ticking and I need to go to sleep...

[Aganzir]

Out of the two, Greenie looks more nit-picky while Inzil looks opportunistic, but then again it's Inzil who's already been voted for... except I'm not sure if it was ever going to turn into a bandwagon. Hmm.

Vote count in a minute.

[Aganzir]

Gal - Nerwen
Kath - Inzil
Inzil - Nog
Greenie - Nog 2 (xed with Zil's vote)

Left: Agan, Bom, Kit, Lottie, Nog, Nerwen, Pitch, sally, Shasta

[Loslote]

I am not especially happy with Zil's vote, but I'm also not especially happy with the arguments against him earlier in the Day. Neither am I happy with Nog's case against me, which is not only based on a exageration of a misinterpretation of an early Day 1 comment, but I think it's also a bit silly if you think about it. I'm not convinced of the furriness of either of them, but they are currently my choices for lynchdom - probably Nog more than Zil, but I not sure if that's just me being grumpy.

Edit: Xed with Shasta's vote

[Aganzir]

If Lottie is a wolf, which would've been the most sensible/typical course for her: to keep going after Bom (and hopefully eventually get an innocent lynched, assuming he's one); or take the careful path and drop the suspicion so she wouldn't be suspected herself?

If Lottie is a wolf, how did Bom's "reveal" affect what she said of him?

Reading back trying to find an answer for these questions brought me to this:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Cobbler? He doesn't look any more cobblerish than usual. (Not taking into account, of course, that his occupation is "cobbler" - but I think we should forget that before somebody, somewhere, gets confused.) Seriously now, I don't think we can deduce much anything from Bom's posts this far since they have not, at least in my opinion, differed in any remarkable way of the way he plays whatever his role.

Why single out cobbler? Does she want to say, "No, see here, Bom is not the cobbler!!"
And Lottie's reply:

I don't think I've played with him enough yet - I didn't realize this was standard Bom. Never mind, then.

So how did it become about the cobbler? As I see it, Lottie originally also offered two other options! It looks like they're both reading too much into it: first Greenie grasps at a part of a sentence, then Lottie immediately backs off.
Weirdos.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

From the phone - I don't know what to make of Agan's little slip just now, in regards to.... Was it Lottie? It is so difficult to work on this thing. It had to do with Agan pointing out that someone looked Gifted, which is odd (the cobblery kind).

Lottie said behaving unusually is one of the clearest signs of being evil. It's not - it's one of the clearest signs of not being ordinary. That's why I don't automatically suspect everyone who is being unusual but rather wait till I've figured out more, and that's something Lottie totally overlooked. Might be she doesn't care if she lynches a gifted.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lottie said behaving unusually is one of the clearest signs of being evil. It's not - it's one of the clearest signs of not being ordinary. That's why I don't automatically suspect everyone who is being unusual but rather wait till I've figured out more, and that's something Lottie totally overlooked. Might be she doesn't care if she lynches a gifted.

Fair enough, but in doing so you're indirectly saying "unusualness can mean giftedness" which, when taken together with Lottie saying Bom is acting unusually, looks to me like you're pointing out a possible gifted - which is something I can't see an innocent doing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

From the phone - I don't know what to make of Agan's little slip just now, in regards to.... Was it Lottie? It is so difficult to work on this thing. It had to do with Agan pointing out that someone looked Gifted, which is odd (the cobblery kind).

Right now though -

++Inzil

++Inzil

I can't remember which format is right, so there's both.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Clarification - Agan in regards to Lottie thinking "unusual" means "wolfish", post 50.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Even after rereading the thread I'm somewhat confused, but I just get that way sometimes, so meh. I'll make a final decision on who to vote for later.

EDIT: X'd with everyone since Nog.

[Nogrod]

Darn deadline. I should go to sleep but then again the game is finally turning out interesting - and the whisper in my ear says "it's only 40 minutes, c'mon"...

If I would need to vote right now not caring about the probabilities of who's actually going to get lynched, I'd say Greenie. But I'm going to think about the other possibilities as well as connections for a moment then.

Lottie: sure, when Greenie gives you the line that makes your comment less suspicious it is clear you say that is the one you meant - and I mean in both cases; if you're an innocent or if you're a wolf.

I do smell some wisdom from the Owl of Minerva here (afterthought, wisdom after the facts, whatever way you have of saying it in English).

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lottie: sure, when Greenie gives you the line that makes your comment less suspicious it is clear you say that is the one you meant - and I mean in both cases; if you're an innocent or if you're a wolf.

No, this isn't a case of trying to avoid suspicion. At this point I don't really get surprised at Day 1 suspicion. That's not what bothers me here. I simply don't see how you could think I would do that at all, wolf or innocent. Free passes are not something I (or anyone else, I should think!) give out on basis of one line of reasoning being cut off. Your argument makes no sense to me because I wouldn't do that, no matter what role I happen to have.

EDIT: xed thrice

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And why would a wolf do that?

To look like the cobbler, which I actually said in my first post about him.

EDIT: xed with Shasta