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01-04-2003, 01:17 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Who was the greatest Elf?
We’ve had the ‘greatest man’ now it is time for the ’the greatest Elf . will draw up a shortlist, just to make it easier for you to pick, though you do not can pick anyone you like. Hmmm, let me see.
Feanor Fingolfin Fingon Maedhros Gil-Galad Cirdan Finwe Ecthelion Glorfindel Angrod Beleg Mablung Legolas Maglor Celebrimbor Galdor (of Gondolin) Finrod Felagund That’s off the top of my head.
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01-04-2003, 02:17 PM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Well there was a big argument as to whether or not Lúthien was the greatest of the Eldar. heretis. Heres one on the best elf Heres
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01-04-2003, 02:25 PM
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Fair and Cold
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This has been discussed ad nauseum, but you definitely forgot Galadriel on your list up there. Not to mention Elrond. *Yawn* Not that I have a precise opinion, but you know, just looking out for you there.
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01-04-2003, 03:43 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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I totaly think that glorfindel should be worshipped as the greatest elf of all time. After Arwen nicking his place in the movie, not to mention his horse and sword, he needs something to raise his spirits.
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01-04-2003, 03:49 PM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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People always go for the underdog. Glorfindel was pretty impressive but people only say he is the best because he is under-appreciated. If he was the greatest elf of all time you wouldn't have to give him the sympathy vote!
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01-04-2003, 04:07 PM
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Haunting Spirit
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Two things:
1. You forgot to mention Gildor in your list, which I find quite upsetting [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 2. If there is something like 'the greatest elf' it would certainly be Ingwe, leader of the Vanyar and High-King of the Elves in Aman. The man (i.e. elf) went to Aman when the summons came and never left. All we know about the elves on Aman is in the period before the Exile of the Noldor. Imagine what 3 Ages (instead of one, which is the case for most of the Elves we know of) in close proximity to the Valar in the Undying Lands can do to you. So I say Ingwe, definitely.
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01-04-2003, 04:16 PM
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Feanor and Celebrimbor come quite high on my list, they had great skill, but evil sought them out and corrupted them/their work, as I'm afraid often seems to be the case. Yep I reckon the high king of the vanyar is the best bet.
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01-04-2003, 04:25 PM
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Hidden Spirit
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You guys, seriously. It doesn't matter what you think. It was just Luthien. The end period. Debating this is like debating what color Galadriel's hair is, or whether or not Frodo was actually a hobbit. I'm pretty sure Tolkien told you the answers to those things, too.
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01-04-2003, 04:47 PM
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In terms of skill it would probably be Feanor almost indefinately but in terms of strength I would be inclined to go Finfolfin but that's just my opiinion,I mean Thingol,Finrod,Galdriel,Luthien and Fingon are all great elves not to mention Celebrimbor,Turgon etc
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01-04-2003, 05:02 PM
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01-04-2003, 11:59 PM
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If such debates interest you, perhaps you could ponder the question of who the coolest elf is, or something like that.
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01-05-2003, 12:07 AM
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Fair and Cold
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Nah, Legalos, how about discussing who the ugliest Elf is instead? A worthy topis of discourse, right up there with "the tallest Dwarf?" and the "cutest Orc?" threads.
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01-05-2003, 12:43 AM
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i admire Cirdan the most he may not be the greatest, but he has remained faithfull to his purpose perhaps longer than any other elf, and he does it not for himself but for those who wish to travel to the undieing lands.
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01-05-2003, 04:54 AM
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Haunting Spirit
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ugliest elf--->Maeglin in The Fall of Gondolin
most handsome elf/man--->Earendel coolest elf--->Glorfindel (he killed a Balrog) bravest and most beautiful--->Luthien I don't know where to put Galadriel but she's my favorite. As for the greatest Elf I'm not sure who because I haven't read the Silmarillon, though I'll agree with JRRT (for now) Luthien is the greatest.
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01-05-2003, 05:10 AM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Burrahobbit she is the greatest of the ELDAR, who are, on average, greater than the Dark Elves. But he didn't say the Greatest Elf, so it could be that out there somewhere is an Elf who is greater than her. It just rules out all of the Nolder, the Teleri and the Vanyar. It could be that Legolas is the greatest elf (COULD be, but isn't [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] ).
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01-05-2003, 05:39 AM
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Hidden Spirit
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You're gonna get such a PINCH.
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01-05-2003, 08:50 AM
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Since this topic is asking only for opinions, not discussing the books, it has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum.
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01-06-2003, 04:03 AM
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Haunting Spirit
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Luthien did a lot for the sake of love. She saved her boyfriend Beren from the clutches of Melkor. I only read their story from the Lost Tales 2 so I'm not sure about the other details.
I guess I'm with Meela. I'd go for Glorfindel the Golden Hair. I'm sure he's way better than Legolas. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (runs while pots and pans are being thrown into the air by Lego fans) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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01-06-2003, 04:42 AM
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Its gota be Feanor for me, he was so free spirted he followed his own path and didnt let any one sway him from it, not even the valar!
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01-08-2003, 06:44 AM
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The best elf ever has to be Gil-Galad.
"Gil-Galad was an elven king of him the harpers sadly sing. Last whose realm was fair and free between the mountain and the sea." |
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01-08-2003, 09:02 AM
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<FONT SIZE=SMALL> Luthien. </FONT SIZE=SMALL>
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01-09-2003, 03:32 PM
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Auspicious Wraith
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There's a difference between the words 'greatest' and 'favourite', folks.
Why does no-one ever start a thread called "Who is your favourite Elf?"?
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01-10-2003, 05:17 PM
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01-11-2003, 01:06 PM
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Auspicious Wraith
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That is only arts and lore. Luthien was the greatest, period.
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01-11-2003, 04:33 PM
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01-12-2003, 01:29 AM
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What about Luthien's mother? Wasn't she A Valar or something? I read teh Silmarillion a while ago and all those names confuse me. But I would have to say either Luthien's mother or Galadriel.
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01-12-2003, 05:05 AM
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Luthiens mother was a Maia but,Tolkien did say that Luthien was the greatest elf that ever lived or whatever so i say Luthien. Out of the male elves not sure coz there was so many of them that did great deeds although Fingofin did a good one.
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01-14-2003, 03:19 PM
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Haunting Spirit
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Luthien was the most beautiful..yes.
But if you're talking about, great as in strength, it would be Curufinweor Feanor - Spirit of Fire. Quote:
And Miriel died in the Garden Of Lorien. And their are many other greats. Like Cirdan the Shipwright and Earedil! Just depends on what kind of great. ~Yavanna
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01-15-2003, 12:57 PM
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Auspicious Wraith
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That quote means nothing. The above quotes on Luthien are all we need. No quote can combat them. None.
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01-15-2003, 06:43 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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gratest elves:
feanor fingolfin luthien turon finrod gladrial elrond thingol earendil(he an elf right) celembiror and a lot more galdor leolas beleg malbung finwe glorfindel ecthelion gil-galad cirdian
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01-15-2003, 08:05 PM
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I would say Faenor is. I would discount Luthien only because she is not purely an elf. The best pure elf would be Faenor without question, the maker of the Silmarils.
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01-15-2003, 09:08 PM
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Feanor was the dgreatest in skill
Fingolfin was the greatest in power because he fought Melkor
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01-18-2003, 01:52 AM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tolkien says "Luthien=greatest". Whatever. It just so happens I might have a different opinion on the definition of greatness. Some people place more weight on goodness, others on wisdom, some on skill, and others on battle prowess, and so on.
Last summer I actually sat down and rated a bunch of Tolkien characters based on several characteristics (fighting, skill/craft, wisdom, goodness, beauty, and combined will-power (over themselves) and will-mastery (over others). First I gave base ratings for your average maia, light-elf, dark-elf, numenorean, regular man, dwarf, and even hobbit. Then I proceeded to rate everyone I could think of like Melkor, Eonwe, Maedhros, Frodo, Aragorn, Hurin, and ect. On my chart, the winning elf was Feanor. (plus, I don't consider Luthien an elf, because she's half angelic being)
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01-18-2003, 10:44 AM
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That's cool, and I don't have a problem with that. It's just that this is Tolkien's opinion on the subject, and I'm willing to concede to him.
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01-18-2003, 07:13 PM
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Haunting Spirit
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Luthien was also Maia, so naturally she would be the most powerful. But if we look at the greatest pure Elf (without any maian blood) I would go for Fëanor (my fav character in the Silm [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]), then perhaps Fingolfin.
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01-18-2003, 08:12 PM
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Luthien would technically be the Greatest Elf, according to JRRT. But I admire Maedhros the most for his loyalty to his family, but when his friend needed him he "forsake" (I use that term lightly) his oath to his father and the Silmarills and stood for him
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01-18-2003, 08:46 PM
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Dueling a former Vala, one on one. Has to be Fingolfin.
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01-19-2003, 07:34 AM
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Auspicious Wraith
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Well, Finrod Felagund was always my favourite Elf, and his dad was really cool too.
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When you talk about the greatness of an elf, I think of the greatness of their deeds. Not of their beauty, or their innate skill, but of what they accomplished and the choices that they made. So I rule out the Vanyar at the start, because in my opinion they didn't really do much. At least, not that we hear about. Just worshipped well and properly and looked nice. Good for them. Finrod Felagund was probably the most noble of the elves to return to the Hither Lands, judging by his deeds with Maedhros, Beren and the first men to come west. But I think that the importance of Elrond is vastly underappreciated. Rivendell is an important sanctuary and stronghold long after other realms have perished. The Last Homely House. It served as a base for armed forays into Eriador, as the home of Aragorn and of the legacy of the kings of Gondor and Arnor, and provided sanctuary to the Ringbearer, and also the ring-finder. Not Gollum, the other guy. I think without a place to harbour the knowledge and the people that Rivendell did, Sauron would have rocked everyone's world. Elrond. Greatest. Forgive me, Professor.
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01-21-2003, 04:09 AM
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Gladrial is cute but still very powerfull so she gets my vote. Well finglofin has to be the greatest elf as he fought melkor giving him 7 wounds and cutting off his (left)? foot. glorfindle is also great killing a balrog is cool and returning is even better in the same form.
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