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Originally Posted by Drognan
OK, so Balrog would definitely grab the ring, probably would use it, uncertain is in which way would he project his power. One way is world dominance and next dark lord, and another is securing his home beneath Moria. And maybe both ways.
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Well, yes, I suppose so -
if the Balrog found out / saw the Ring. If he didn't - I doubt it.
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What do you think of the attack? Was it planned in advance? Did Golum warned orcs when he passed trough Moria? Would it happen if Pippin didn't throw all those stuff in the hole? Has he forced orcs on attack since he rang so obvious allarm. I mean, it would be suspicious if alarm rang, and no attack... Maybe orcs planned attack somewhere deeper in Moria?
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I think it was like the equivalent of a fire drill in our world. It wasn't planned beforehand, but it was well prepared for the moment.
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I appologize for my bad english, it's not my primary language.
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Originally Posted by Alfirin
The real question i was asking (which may or may not be germane to the thread) is whether the Watcher in the water was a sentient, conscious creature, or just basically a mindless beast running on instinct. Yes the watcher seemed to be targeting Frodo, but there is the fact that Frodo is amount the (pysically) frailer members of the fellowship; it could simply be the predator l standard "go for the weakest one in the herd". I tend to assume that one of the few prerequisites of the rings being able to twist minds and wills is that the creature holding the ring has to have a mind to being with. If it didn't one would expect that, in the time that the ring was under the river it would have been "claimed" (eaten) by a fish, ot taken by a river crab into it's den etc.
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Well, it could have been a go for the weakest, but I think Gandalf meant
specifically him, not any weak hobbit.
Also, although the Ring tempts only those with a mind, it takes control over nature around it as well. The
Ring has a "mind", that's what matters.