WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am starting to be slightly suspicious of sally - first her generally noncommited attitude, "flies eat me", as we say (not sure if it is an international saying), several threatening remarks towards the newbies and urging other people to do something where she herself does not seem to do anything except for that, more or less. Any analyses of your own? Any relevant suspicions or stuff like that?

And secondly, this "let's lynch the modfired ones" theory. Okay, now these later posts of hers where she keeps dragging it on seem more genuine, as in, if it was only a fake, then she probably wouldn't drag it that long. But in the beginning, it sounded a bit as if she was bringing some random theory which could actually prevent us from lynching a Wolf toDay (proved that neither of the newbies is one, which actually I think they might be) but then backing away from proposing it just after people seemed frowning about it. But then again, if I really think about it, I can see even innocent Sally doing something like that. Still, I am sort of wary of her.

Maybe in relation to this I should remark that I am also not entirely sure about Boro, at one point when reading through this I started to even think of Sally-Boro cooperation. Now after reading Boro's frustration-post (the one before mine, proven I don't cross with anyone), that sounds genuine and it would have to be really well-orchestrated for him to do so with a Wolfmate (I mean the "I am not getting into that argument again" stuff). Still, there is something that makes me slightly uneasy about him, maybe it's also the fact that he seemed so... calm after my last reply to him, I am used to an innocent Boro being more like constantly prodding people, I would have expected him to start arguing with me or something. But maybe he's just being sensible, or I am underestimating his reasonability in general (in that case, sorry)

EDIT: okay, x-ed only with Kath, that's fine.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Still, there is something that makes me slightly uneasy about him, maybe it's also the fact that he seemed so... calm after my last reply to him, I am used to an innocent Boro being more like constantly prodding people, I would have expected him to start arguing with me or something. But maybe he's just being sensible, or I am underestimating his reasonability in general (in that case, sorry)

I'm slightly uneasy about the sorry and smile, as it's always hard to argue with someone who's responding kindly and apologetic.

But, serious now, if I thought it would do any good I would have no trouble getting into an old-fashioned firestorm. Thing is, as G55 also remembered, last time I got into a passionate flame war all that happened was the hunter and ranger were revealed on Day 1. So, I'm attempting to remember someone can in fact disagree with me and not be a wolf. And while the situation right now is pretty intense, it's not loose-cannon mode quite yet.

Yes, we seem to disagree on why TEW was killed and the use of trying to figure out why he was killed. Although, I didn't make too much mention of it, I did think earlier today it was you attempting to steer everyone in a certain direction. But that was far from your focus, you were ready to move on to prodding people of your own, and so I'm not going to start an epic firestorm of arguments when it wouldn't do any good.

Make no mistake, I don't trust your judgement more than my own, but I trust you enough to say you appear to have good intentions so far.

[Galadriel55]

The time that I can actually sit at the computer for more than a coupe hours straight there's hardly any posts. So I'm going to talk about Boro's last post. :/

Thing is, as G55 also remembered, last time I got into a passionate flame war all that happened was the hunter and ranger were revealed on Day 1.

No, only you revealed on D1. Seer revealed on D2 with 2 dreamed wolves, and Ranger!Bom revealed on D3 to back up the Seer's claim (since he protected him the Night before). Then there were 2 fake-reveals of the revealed wolves, and then everyone went silly, so we had a dozen seers, hunters, rangers, mods, a werebear, a Necromancer, and even a Doctor (plus other maddness that I can't remember). And the moddess revealed to be the last wolf. Fun times.

But the point that I made still stands: if you argue with Bom about his jokes you'll get nowhere good... unless the Seer has 2 wolves on the hook.

[Galadriel55]

Yes, I'm that bored...... and no, I'm not even touching schoolwork today....

In fact I'm so bored that I will post a picture of a guest from Elftown:



*yawn*

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Yes, I'm that bored...... and no, I'm not even touching schoolwork today....

In fact I'm so bored that I will post a picture of a guest from Elftown:



*yawn*

Ever think about re-channeling the boredom into doing a who you suspect list?

[Kath]

I need to vote now as I'm going to bed.

Timezones suck. I really want a definite answer on modfires and it looks like I'm not going to get one.

What I'm tempted to do is to vote for a potential modfire candidate. That way if Shasta does say modfire is happening then you guys can figure out what to do and my vote might come in useful.

On the other hand, clearly I don't actually suspect either of the potential modfire candidates as there is nothing to suspect them for!

So what I shall do is post this and go off and make my customary list to see if there is someone I have reason to suspect. In the meantime if there are any thoughts on the above please say.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Laeko_Randalis

Sally: #116, "benefiting us innocents?" You seem somewhat eager to point out your innocence, and that is making you seem suspicious. Then again, that's been pointed out before, so either you missed it, you forgot about it, or you're hoping that by repeatedly proclaiming your supposed innocence that you convince us that way. Have no idea whether that will work or not.

I've made note of that as well. It does tend to be something of a Sallyism to declare herself innocent, though I don't seem to recall it happening so frequently under negligible threat of lynching.

Originally Posted by Laeko_Randalis

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

Just keep in mind newbie-passes expire Day 2.

Originally Posted by Kath

On the other hand, clearly I don't actually suspect either of the potential modfire candidates as there is nothing to suspect them for!

And one of them has now appeared.

[Kath]

Vote tally from yesterDay:

Kath --> sally (As an incentive to be useful!)
Pitch --> Galadriel (For refusing to join in with useful discussion.)
Legate --> TEW (As an incentive to stop being lazy.)
Inzil --> Pitch (For accusing him of harping on and switching suspects suddenly.)
Kitanna --> Pitch (For trying to help packmate Bom not seem so wolvish? I think? Not sure here.)
Galadriel --> Pitch (For meta-game reasons.)
(Inzil, Kitanna and Galadriel all cross-posted these votes.)
Bom --> Pitch (Makes it 4 votes. No explanation in the vote post.)
Boro --> Kath (To make sure I explained my vote toDay.)
TEW --> Inzil (No explanation in vote post but based on previous suspicions.)
sally --> TEW (For a forced feel to his posts.)
Nerwen --> Kath (For an ill-reasoned vote.)

Didn't vote:
Greenie (I've been ignoring her as a modfire candidate. She'll vote toDay I'm sure.)
Azura
Laeko

Well it's pretty clear that Bom struck the decisive blow for Pitch. Having seen three cross-posted votes he definitely put the final nail in that coffin. If he is a wolf that seems a very bold move. Based just on this the people I'd be most suspicious of would be TEW and sally, given their votes. They knew Greenie wasn't reappearing and one newbie hadn't shown at all. Yet their votes go to two completely unrepresented people in the vote tally thus far. Throwaway votes really. TEW though we now know to be innocent. Therefore I can't be certain the same isn't true for sally.

So, to toDay:
Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though.

Legate - good reasoning behind his ideas. Going for the no-trace option which I think is less likely, but is possible. Starts to suspect Galadriel after the same post I just read and didn't like. Going the opposite way to sally - thinking we have wolves laying low. Starting to suspect sally for not joining in. (Seeing a theme her Legate!). And Boro for not being jumpy enough I think!

Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious. Don't like that. An organised lynch is like a ... something that doesn't work. Pretty much unless the Seer reveals a wolf name near the beginning of the Day it just doesn't happen that everyone votes together. There can never be enough trust.

Kitanna - posts as a train of thought! I like it. I'm not convinced about being suspicious of someone for muddling names up, it happens. Her other thoughts on Galadriel are pretty well reasoned though. I've discussed my vote. I hadn't thought about Nerwen's vote for me being suspicious. I was more pleased that she had chosen someone already on the potential lynch-list rather than a throwaway. Argues against modfire - reasonably. Ends up voting Bom for some well thought through reasons I think. Only thing I don't like about it is that Bom hasn't spoken yet toDay and it is tough voting someone when they haven't had a chance to defend themselves. That said, time limits are time limits.

Greenie - ambivalence about sally, suspicion of Nerwen for pushing others to suspect Pitch while avoiding it herself but then pretty much takes it back so nothing definite there. Suspects Zil but no reasoning/analysis.

sally - says she's ill. States she wanted to lynch TEW. A little odd given he's just been proven innocent. Feels we may have bold wolves. Meaning what sally? Loudmouths? Bandwaggonning voters? Begins the modfire discussion. sally says modfires lose us phases but 'I'm really fine either way, but you're being pretty cavalier with our numbers.' Sorry, you can't be fine about doing either, and be accusing someone else of being cavalier about numbers. If the modfires gain us phases then great, more Days to try and catch a wolf. If they lose us phases, fewer Days to try and catch a wolf. 'Fine either way' isn't really acceptable then!

Inzil - really don't like it when people apologise for their votes posthumously (ach, that's not the right words but you know what I mean.) Seems to scream guilt. Could be a particular playing style but even if so I don't like it. Some suspicion of Bom for his vote placement. Agrees with Kitanna about not voting modfires.

Boro - tries to meld the trailless kill vs set up options. Yeah fair point there could be more than one reason going on. TEW was chosen and there must have been a reason why he was chosen over others. Largely I think that has been decently analysed toDay. Questions Legate about his vote. Argues against modfires. I disagree with Boro about the cross-posting for Pitch. If all three cross-posted then to each person there was only one vote for Pitch for them at that time. They would have each been the first to vote. So how can their timing have been suspicious? There was no bandwagon until the cross-posting dust cleared.

Laeko - hey! Our newbie reappeared! This may change our entire modfire thoughts anyway! I like this so far - some good thoughts and reasoned suspicion of sally.

And just saw sally's post about Shasta's text. Normal modfire rules are ...? No vote for two Days or no posts for two Days?

Ok, posting this, going to do a vote tally for toDay (hah! That'll be time-consuming ) and then I'll vote.

[Laeko_Randalis]

Boy do peole write a lot. But darned if I'm gonna be mod-fired that easily.

Quoting Boromir: #113 "But I can't see either you or Inzil being bothered much, by vague and slight suspicions if you were wolves."

Not to mention, it's usually very unwise to kill the person who voted for you. Then again, if there'd be any time TO do it, it would be the first kill, before "relationships" have been established and everyone's still all fuzzy about… well, everything!

And as has been pointed out, it's still early in the game, and it's just as likely that the wolves are as scared as the rest of us, wanting to make sure not to give themselves away. And hey, it does make a heck of a distraction to kill a target that they don't have much to go on.

Sally: #116, "benefiting us innocents?" You seem somewhat eager to point out your innocence, and that is making you seem suspicious. Then again, that's been pointed out before, so either you missed it, you forgot about it, or you're hoping that by repeatedly proclaiming your supposed innocence that you convince us that way. Have no idea whether that will work or not.

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.