WW LXXXVII - The Valley Forge

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

"And I know of course I'm innocent (although I obviously can't prove it), so if he suspects me, he can't know my role"?

Well, duh. I didn't say "I can prove he isn't"... I can by dying, of course, and it will give me more time for WoW, too.
Actually I can't even say "I know he isn't" since I suppose it is possible the KD could deliberately try to lead the village astray, but I don't consider that too terribly likely (although on second thought it could help win the trust of his fellow wolves and keep him alive longer, too).

Anyway - I'm terribly sorry I didn't vote or participate much yesterDay - I hadn't checked when the DL was and was distracted by RL - but I'll try to do better from here on. I do think we can learn something from Bom's posts. Can we be sure he wasn't the KD? I don't think our moddess ever answered the question about the KD's role being revealed, right? That wouldput Phantom and Cabbie in a bad light (fake KD bluff attempt?) and whoever went after Bom, while a truly evil Bom would do the opposite.
I'd love to know for sure, well, how much we know. Moddess?
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[McCaber]

Boms first posts here were just chatter, asking the Forge to step forward and make their identity known. And it was reacted to as such.

Next is this:

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I'm torn between keeping phantom around to admire his brilliance (before killing him for being an eeevil li'l schemer) and just plain killing him to, as G55 says, save us some headaches.

Also, phantom's fixation on killing the KD this early seems like a Forger trying to get an obstacle out of the way during the day, when the Watchdwarf can't protect him.

which seems an awful like just badmouthing tp, or (if tp is indeed a Forge-ite) it could be an attempt to create an appearance of division between them. I'm leaning heavily towards the first right now.

He leans on Inzil a bit for not catching an inside joke, and gets a verbal smack back for it.

He votes phantom, hopping on a barrelling bandwagon against him. I'd say this looks like more evidence for phantom's innocence.

And Inzil and Eruhen voting him at the last moment also speaks volumes towards innocence in both of them, as his lynch was by no means set in stone.

[Rikae]

I didn't think Bom got the inside joke, though, Cab - he seemed to read something else into it (or want others to, anyway).
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[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Pitchie's case against Rikae feels a bit... fabricated.

That's not a case (yet), it's a question. And perhaps a test.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, duh. I didn't say "I can prove he isn't"... I can by dying, of course, and it will give me more time for WoW, too.
Actually I can't even say "I know he isn't" since I suppose it is possible the KD could deliberately try to lead the village astray, but I don't consider that too terribly likely (although on second thought it could help win the trust of his fellow wolves and keep him alive longer, too).

Exactly. Not that I consider it terribly likely either, but I'm glad you got my point.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I do think we can learn something from Bom's posts. Can we be sure he wasn't the KD? I don't think our moddess ever answered the question about the KD's role being revealed, right? That wouldput Phantom and Cabbie in a bad light (fake KD bluff attempt?) and whoever went after Bom, while a truly evil Bom would do the opposite.
I'd love to know for sure, well, how much we know. Moddess?

Foley's last word on the Admin thread was we'd know when the KD died. If she's changed her mind about that, it would be fair to let everybody know.

And about Bom-as-KD specifically: I know it's considered bad form to try and draw conclusions from the narration, but -

Originally Posted by yesterDay's narration

The dwarves reached out and took hold of Bom, dragging him down from where he stood by the loud dwarf, and taking him to the center of the village. They were a blood thirsty and frightened group and no one was there that knew better or who could hold them back. The members of the Forge stayed quiet, and Galin Ironfist remained silent, too, for this was the beginning of his victory.
[...]
Galin alone stood waiting until the street was clear. Then he approached and took the head by the beard and laid it by the body. He drew his dagger and cut away the cloth of Bom’s shirt by his shoulder and pulled it back, revealing the brand of the Valley Forge.

I like to think such a diligent writer as our Moddess would have phrased this differently if Bom himself had been the KD.

But supposing for the sake of argument he was, did he leave any hints about his role?

EDIT: x-ed with Mith, whose cyber sheepdog Nogrod totally cracked me up. I love you!

[the phantom]

About to head out again, but first I'll post some thoughts of my Day 1 skim...

First- wow! I was really close to dying, ha ha! Had I realized what was going on here my drive home would've been much more anxious.

Anyway-

Just as a point of interest, Bom, Gal55, Eruhen, Inzil, and Nerwen seem to think of the baddies as Werewolves (judging from their wording here and there) even though the baddies in this village are not Werewolves.

Others, such as Finduilas, Boro, and I, seem to make a point of calling the baddies what they are- Forge members or bad dwarves etc.

I have no idea if that means anything at all. I thought it was possible that people that had spent a good deal of time with the rules and thinking about things would naturally lean away from saying "Werewolves", and I also thought it possible that the bad dwarves would not refer to themselves as such, knowing that they weren't Wolves, you know, but Bom ruins that theory... Unless of course in their discussions they referred to themselves with classic pack terminology and it stuck in their minds and it carried over to the game thread. Who knows?

Originally Posted by Boro

I could have added eye rolls to show those posts were filled to the brim with sarcasm, but if phantom (or anyone else) interprets as sucking up, that's fairy nuff.

Ha ha, no, I didn't think you were sucking up. Quite the opposite- I figured you were addressing me as carefully as possible according to your formulas involving me not being able to read you directly and also opening up an opportunity for you to read me etc. In a way the attitude felt copied and pasted from other Day 1s when you've spoken to me.

Originally Posted by Gal55

I'm torn between voting some submarine or tp. The problem is, almost anybody except for tp is kinda sub-ish. Including me. And it's soooooooooo tempting to lynch phantom. At least just to show him that it can be done... But, on the other hand, I'd hate to lose "the second most deadliest person in the village" (or whatever it was that Bom called him) if he's innocent. But I'd dance on my head if he'll be a fenris.

Meh, I don't like this attitude. It's the old fan the flames and make the idea sound palatable while at the same time displaying disapproval. "Look people, isn't it tempting? But actually, I'm uneasy."

Originally Posted by Inzil

Because G55 looks less suspicious.

Why did you say that after you changed your vote from me to Bom? What was the connection?

Originally Posted by Rikae

This seems to be a flaw in the plan, though:
"This player will appear to be one of the members of the Valley Forge."

Does this mean the KD isn't revealed on his death?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Can we be sure he wasn't the KD? I don't think our moddess ever answered the question about the KD's role being revealed, right?

Foley specifically said-

Originally Posted by Foley

I think that roles will be revealed as long as the King's Dwarf is still alive.

Originally Posted by Foley

You will definitely know when the King's Dwarf dies.

With her saying that I felt fairly secure there would be no loop-hole in my loop-hole plan.

Gotta run now, but just to give an idea of my basic feelings- I seriously doubt I'm voting for Eruhen, Rikae, Mith, Inzil, or Pitch today.