WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Galadriel55]

I want to see what Eomer has to say in defense. His reasoning would be more accurate than mine.

Plus, if he's truly the Seer and the Ranger protected him last Night, he only has one Day left. Is it in our interests to waste a lynch opportunity on him?

Anyways, I'm in for the night. Wonder what happens to this game while I'm gone.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Morning.

I didn't go after Nerwen or Shasta at all yesterday, that's correct. They had barely posted anything on Day One. There was no, shall we say, evidence to look back upon. By leaving it until the last minute, we at least have both of their Day Two machinations to assess.

Sorry about McCaber being ordo after all, but I think his was a useful lynch - as he had been implicated by Zil's slaying.

By the way: Bom's innocent. And thanks, Ranger.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I didn't go after Nerwen or Shasta at all yesterday, that's correct. They had barely posted anything on Day One. There was no, shall we say, evidence to look back upon. By leaving it until the last minute, we at least have both of their Day Two machinations to assess.

Yes, that is very true, and if you're talking to me, there's absolutely nothing I can criticise about that. What I was saying was a bit strange was the final "vote McCaber" stage in the last two minutes. You could've picked a known wolf, but instead picked someone you suspected. By tomorrow we could've had two known known wolves dead and an someone whose opinion we could trust as lacking in lycanthropy. But now we have less.




Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

edit: And yes, if you're the real seer, and not Eomer, you should've counter-revealed by now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yes, that is very true, and if you're talking to me, there's absolutely nothing I can criticise about that. What I was saying was a bit strange was the final "vote McCaber" stage in the last two minutes. You could've picked a known wolf, but instead picked someone you suspected. By tomorrow we could've had two known known wolves dead and an someone whose opinion we could trust as lacking in lycanthropy. But now we have less.




Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

edit: And yes, if you're the real seer, and not Eomer, you should've counter-revealed by now.

I'd been hoping to avoid that, but you're right– I can't leave it any longer. This game is going to be a terrible blot on my Seer-ing record, I'm afraid.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry to do this to you, Nerwen. Just be thankful the third wolf has eluded me. The game will go on.

Eonwe, I accept that criticism. I was unsure how to act the whole day, and then decided to reveal as late as possible. As it happened, you are correct: even in those last few moments, we could have lynched either Shasta or Nerwen.

I suppose there was a degree of selfishness on my part: I really wanted to know McCaber's role so pushed for it.

[Eruhen]

Boro, Bom, Shasta, you around? Your heads are on the line here, too, and it'd be nice to hear from you.

And both Galadriels, you're right. It's probably not wise for the Ranger to reveal. Lots of people gonna need protecting toNight, regardless of how toDay goes down.

[Eönwë]

Nerwen-> Eomer
Shasta -> Eomer (2)
Eomer -> Shasta
Foley -> Shasta (2)
Tum -> Shasta (3)
Eru -> Shasta (4)
G55 -> Shasta (5)
Eonwe -> Shasta (6)
Sally -> Boro
Bom -> Shasta (7)
Boro -> Shasta (8)

edit: x-ed with other two vote counts and fixed

[Eönwë]

And for my final reveal of the Day... I am The Doctor! *Opens the TARDIS and plays 'I Am The Doctor' very loudly*

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Sally -> Shasta (7)

Sally voted Boro

Edit: sorry, xed

[Nerwen]

Anyone around? No?

First things first: no, Boro is not a wolf. Just an innocent whom I suspect will be kicking himself toMorrow. I dreamed him Night Two, because his reveal looked fishy, especially the fact that actually he didn't know the way the Hunter-role worked. My Night One dream was Zil, on general principles, and last Night I dreamed Eruhen– not Eomer, because he was obviously evil, and because Eruhen was one of those I thought he might have been trying to save. Eruhen is, however, another innocent. This means I haven't managed to dream a wolf at all yet, which I am quite annoyed about, given my previous track record as a Seer. Oh well, it's not my fault you all had to look so suspicious.

EDIT:X'd with Wolfimer.

[Galadriel55]

Wow. Just, wow. I'm speechless.

Is this the game of the reveals? Three reveals by Day 3 - and at least one fake?

Seeromer has a case against Seerwen, and she against him. One of them is a wolf. I won't exclude the possibility that both faked. Eomer's claims are more bold, and easier to prove. Nerwen complicates things. She revealed three innocents. How do we know she's not a wolf calling random innocents innocent? And picking Zil is just too convenient. On the other hand, this might be simpy unlucky and nothing wolvish.

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

The trouble is, from my point of view this was obviously an attempt by Eomer of the Wolfirrim to salvage something from having stuck his neck out so far to get McCaber lynched– people making false Seer-reveals usually don't expect to survive long, they just want to do as much damage as possible to the village in the meanwhile, like flushing the real Seer, or getting an innocent killed, or just causing maximum confusion. So by lynching Shasta, we're basically giving this round to the wolves– Eomer would have known all along that once either of his "wolves" died, he was finished.

EDIT:X'd since G55 at #242.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Wow. Just, wow. I'm speechless.

Is this the game of the reveals? Three reveals by Day 3 - and at least one fake?

Seeromer has a case against Seerwen, and she against him. One of them is a wolf. I won't exclude the possibility that both faked. Eomer's claims are more bold, and easier to prove. Nerwen complicates things. She revealed three innocents. How do we know she's not a wolf calling random innocents innocent? And picking Zil is just too convenient. On the other hand, this might be simpy unlucky and nothing wolvish.

Trust Eomer means trust Bom and not trust Nerwen&Shasta. Trust Nerwen means trust Eruhen&Boro. While I can kinda trust (as much as one can trust in WW) the people they call innocent, I don't know about our Seers.

To know for sure, we could lynch one of them. But that would mean a 50-50 chance against the real Seer: too big of a risk IMO. Lynch Shasta, as he's the only "?known wolf?" that didn't reveal yet? If Eomer is not really the Seer, this would still backfire on him...

I'm in agreement here. A lot has been going on. I like the idea of lynching Shasta toDay. This way we will know who the real Seer is. At this time I'm leaning towards Eomer as Seer and Nerwen as wolf.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Question for Lottie about the rules:

Does the Hunter show as gifted or ordo for the Seer?

If you're asking in order to question Nerwen's reveal, she called Boro "innocent", without describing a specific role.

[Eruhen]

Re: G55:

I know that Nerwen called Boro an 'innocent'. However, since he's already self-revealed as the Hunter, if she could see his Gift, why bother hiding it?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Conspiracy theory of the moment: What if Eomer and Boro are wolves?

Then Nerwen is a wolf as well, since she claims Boro to be innocent. This theory doesn't make much sense to me. Either Eomer is the only wolf out of those four, Nerwen&Shasta are wolves, or Eomer, Nerwen, and Shasta are all guilty. Or, Nerwen, Shasta, and Boro.

Shasta will of course be on Nerwen's side. Boro is on Eomer's. That doesn't really help us.

I think I'm overthinking it again.

[Eruhen]

Wow.

Um, need to take some time to re-read and analyse now.

TWO potential Seers, and at each others' throats, no less. This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

[Eruhen]

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...

If I voted Nerwen on Day One (she was my first dream) I would have painted a big target onto myself. In any case, killing Nerwen Day one would have done us no favours, as a village. There would be no trail.

We now have Nerwen's interactions from Day Two to pick over..

Nerwen (and Shasta) went after G55 and Eonwe on Day Two, before they had any inkling that the Seer (me) had caught them. Now, I'm hardly one to rule out wolf-on-wolf arguing, but taking things at face value, that's why I believe G55 and Eonwe probably innocent.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

So, quick question for you, Eomer: Why didn't you toss out a vote for Nerwen or Shasta on Day 1 instead of voting for Glirdy?

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Now, back to analysis...

No Ranger-reveals, please. If I'm still alive toNight, I'll need to be protected.

EDIT:X'd with Eomer.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Also, Ranger, who'd you protect? Either way, we've got two Wolves in the bag and you can protect yourself toNight. Since this is becoming the game of reveals, apparently...

Is it wise for the Ranger to reveal, though?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Then Nerwen is a wolf as well, since she claims Boro to be innocent. This theory doesn't make much sense to me. Either Eomer is the only wolf out of those four, Nerwen&Shasta are wolves, or Eomer, Nerwen, and Shasta are all guilty. Or, Nerwen, Shasta, and Boro.

I said this before the Nerwen reveal. And what if Nerwen and Boro are wolves, but not Shasta?

Or even Nerwen and Eomer? Now that would be impressive.

As for who we should kill, yeah, I think Shasta is the best option. Better to lose someone who could either be a wolf or ordo than wolf or seer. Though, of course, he'll probably reveal as Ranger and then we'll be totally stuck...

[Nerwen]

My internet is dying, so I'm going to have to vote now.

++Eomer of the Rohirrim.

Please lynch him. Good night.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I said this before the Nerwen reveal. And what if Nerwen and Boro are wolves, but not Shasta?

I think there's been ample enough time for someone to counter my hunter reveal, if I'm not really the hunter, don't you think?

I wouldn't hold your breath to wait though, because Nerwen has decided to challenge Eomer's seer claim. Shasta can't be the hunter because he saved my neck on Day 1.

Seeing as I believe Eomer, if the hidden 3rd wolf would like to say they're the hunter. Let's send this game away in a blaze of glory and fake reveals. That'll be fun and LottieMod approved.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Haven't read all the way through, but I did catch Eruhen's post.

Is this the right thing to do? Probably not (my hands are shaking as I type this), but:

I'm the Ranger. Basically, run.

I did protect Eomer last Night, and am now debating whether to protect myself (and take the chance that the wolves will go after Eomer first, leaving me open tomorrow Night) or somebody else, taking the chance that the wolves value killing me over the Seer.

EDIT: x'd with Boromir88.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I'm the Ranger. Basically, run.

Not another reveal! I hope it's not another false reveal! If it is.. *faints*

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I'm the Ranger.

Well, you definitely gave enough hints on Day 1...