WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Bom Tombadillo]

*tries to headdesk, realizes he's not at a desk, and settles for a facepalm*

I don't think you're that stupid, so that's probably a deliciously bad joke.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eh... Fitiver's gan on here will mak for some good readin' imorn. That's why I leave Bom and Boro.

There's probably a wolf who's said nothing other than character posts yet, so I'll pick one of them. Back in a minty.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sally fits the criteria (oh wow, I never find her suspicious or anything... ), as does Glirdan. I'm totally aware that I myself fit my own criteria of not adding anything to the discussion....

...until now

Sorry Glirdan, but just not enough from you today. And the first vote is always a safe one. Chances are you're a busy innocent but, because no-one else is really jumping out at me, you're acting the conservative wolf.

++GLIRDAN

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sally fits the criteria

Yeah, I suppose it's bad that I only realised that Sally had posted when I checked the post-count. Totally under my radar.

[Galadriel55]

I went away for what I thought to be one hour and ended up being about four hours. I'm catching up (there's very little to catch up on, though. This is suspiciously quiet!)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

I'd say neither. I will refrain on making any opinion on Glirdy until he has the chance to actually say something.

Originally Posted by Folwren

McCaber, I kind of see your point about Bom Tombadil, but it doesn't sound like the conclusions a guilty person would come to. For instance, if he really was a wolf, he would prolly keep things quiet about people being gifted and just hold onto it himself. I also kinda doubt he's gifted himself.

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Folwren

(Tell me again why we're calling the murderers wolves? Besides Aracaber's brilliantly bad sleuthing skills?)

Because we are playing wereWOLF, not wereACTOR.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think?

An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

An ordo can also not want to be modfired. I don't see how this points to wolvery.

Wait, are you ridiculously misquoting Boro?

The post:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

His whole point is that not wanting to be out of the game does not in any way point to wolvery.



However, this makes you look better in my eyes. I think a wolf would be more careful.

[Bom Tombadillo]

Welp. 30 minutes to deadline, and I doubt anything's going to come along to change my mind (plus, supper's coming up soon). So,

++Boromir88

EDIT: X'd with Eonwe. I don't quite understand what's meant by that comment on the Boro-quote either, but I don't think it's a deliberate misquote.

[Inziladun]

Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

x/d with Foley

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The BoroBom thing is... interesting. In a not very good way. I can't say anything for sure for either one of them (who can, on D1?... except for wolves, that is), but they both seem to be making an elephant out of a fly.

I concur. Lots of raised blood here, especially from Boromir.

Inzil has done a post by post analysis of Bom. I'm not very good at those, but I'm going to give it a shot for Boromir. Coming soon.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Boromir's first post

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

(Translation: Hoarding is evil. Wolves are hoarders. Wolves are evil. Those demading raises....just connect the dots).

Seems normal to me...for a first post on Day 1, anyway. Not serious, nothing suspicious.

Originally Posted by Boromir's second post

That's not applicable to wolves master Dwarf. The Ring required a very specific plan to be unmade and Gollum had a part yet to play in that tale.

The wolves part to play is to eat us and I assure you, show me who the wolves are, and my fire his hot enough to roast them.

Nothing bad there. Still Day 1 content. Expresses hatred for wolves. Natural for an player.

Originally Posted by Boromir's third post

Translations of the Scotsman:

"Too busy to participate because I'm still finishing my meal from yesternight. I think I'll have Lottie's left shoulder loin for second breakfast, is that ok then with my packmates?"

That's just...gross.

Originally Posted by Boromir's fourth post

Let's be honest Glirdanindel you didn't know who to vote for and so your random vote is really just voting for me because you knew I would not be offended? Seeing as we go back a ways and are essentially brothers?

Fairy nuff, since I've done the same before. Not knowing who to vote for, so my random Day 1 pick usually falls to you if I have to make one.

His feathers weren't ruffled about being voted for by Glirdan, so long as the vote was random, apparently.

Originally Posted by Boromir's fifth post

I think the quietness is due to not having any of the Finns or phantom present and me deciding to try something less abrasive and loudy.

No comment necessary.

Originally Posted by Boromir's sixth post

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Oooh, ouch. Pretty much says, 'Since your not the seer, even if you're an innocent, I won't trust you.'

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point one

Indeed but the so-called "random" votes, are rarely ever random in the true sense of the world. You often don't see random votes for someone's first time as they learn what goes on, nor random votes for members who haven't been around in a while. So really the "random" votes just go to someone who you know won't mind being voted for on Day 1, because dying Day 1 kind of stinks.

Again, not really anything to comment on.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point two

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

The question is, who else took him seriously? It was a joke, obviously. Why can't we tease about wolf-ish names? He wasn't really making an accusation. That would have hurt if it'd come after a post that was trying to make Boromir look like a wolf.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point three

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

It's been addressed already by others.

Originally Posted by Boromir's seventh post point four

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

Why especially you? Some people wouldn't react. And just be cause you know he's not a gifted doesn't make him a guilty party. His behavior today has been such that I would really guess he's not a guilty party. So to not be bothered to vote for him really doesn't make sense. It would bother me to vote for a person who was likely an innocent.

Is being continued, wanted to get this out before deadline.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

Bom calls Boro a wolf, probably as a joke, but without reason.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Thanks for telling me you're not the seer and whether innocent or not I won't trust a word you say the remainder of this time.

Boro sounds concerned and rather, umm, harsh.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

This sounds queer. Very queer. Weirder than the regular-weird Bom.

Bom is also quick to proclaim his ordoship (he pointed out he's not a gifted earlier on)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Right, we're supposed to distinguish your jokes from non-jokes, how? And you really think you can just get away joking around with clever names and not have someone say something about it?

As to your second part that is the biggest misconception in werewolf ever. Only the wolves don't want to die/be lynched. Glirdan just said he didn't want to be mod-fired, does this make him a wolf you think? The fact that someone, I don't know?...wants to participate and not be killed because someone who thinks they're being funny put the word wolf if someone's name, doesn't make him/her a wolf.

You can't expect to go gallivanting around calling anyone you feel like a wolf and not expect the person to react. Especially me. I said what I said because I know you're either trying to be a silly innocent or a wolf. Either way, I don't trust you and I know for certain 2 roles you are not, thus if it comes down to it, I will have no issues voting for you.

First paragraph is ok.

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.

I can see what you're saying in the last bit.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

Last paragraph is weirder than usual.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

And those would be? You've mentioned that you don't think I'm the Seer, but what else?

Bom continues to challenge.

Boro also posts a joke-post here. This post is an obvious joke. (Unlike Bom's, that could be interpreted any way.)

Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .)

Between the two of them, I find this quote the most suspicious. This was before they started fighting over nothing, though. But still.

Edit: xed since the vote count

[Eruhen]

Well, now. Boro's officially off my ordo list. Though whether he's moved to the 'wolf' list or the 'gifted' list will require a little more thought.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't get the second. Only the wolves? Do you want to die as an ordo? You might be less, umm, afraid to die, but would you want to? Of course, if it involves saving a Gifted, I'd sacrifice myself. But otherwise, I'd rather live.

I just explained this. The misconception is that it's only the wolves that don't want to die.

edit: x-ed since G55's post

[Loslote]

Role Clarification:

Hunter: Sends me a name every Night. Cannot change the name during the Day. If the Hunter is killed, the person xe chose will only die if xe is a wolf.

The Hunter can take down a wolf if xe is lynched, but cannot kill an innocent. Same goes for Night-kills. Xe cannot change the choice during the Day, so whatever xe sent in overNight is who xe has chosen. Apologies if that was badly worded!

[Eönwë]

Ok, well I won't be voting for Boro today. He could be lying but it's really not worth the risk this early on.

Right now I'm thinking of voting for one of the submarines.

[Bom Tombadillo]

To Inzilarond: I'm not so surprised at the force with which I've been attacked - that's a common reaction to me.

And no, you didn't miss anything. The "more than three wolves" comment was about that very joke-suspicion list having more than three people looking guilty.

EDIT: X'd with the last two posters.

[Boromir88]

Granted I could have said what I wanted to a bit more kindly, but gotta learn at some point. Everyone's different and maybe others don't mind, but I've seen too many people get lynched on what were so-called jokes, and no one should expect to say whatever they want and not be questioned or challenged by it. Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

[Bom Tombadillo]

And those would be? You've mentioned that you don't think I'm the Seer, but what else?

[Inziladun]

*smilies removed per forum restrictions*

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Hey dol! merry dol! Ring a dead dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! avenge fal the Director!
Tom Bom, omigod this is scary Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

. . . You know I was actually happy to be in this movie? :But now I've half a mind to go postal on the lot of you! Killers and innocents alike, all dead . . . except for me of course. *sits a moment in utter glee*

But I suppose it's my job to protect you idiots. Ah well.

This voting idea sounds good t'me; I'd like to vote for Lottierector for getting us into this mess.

First post. Might seem rather glib, and threatening to kill everyone was not really something to earn trust....

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

The dead-line, you say? Sounds awfully suspicious to me . . . (that was a joke, by the way)

On a less joke-y note, G55 looks . . . not suspicious, but unusual, to me. More gifted than wolf, it seems. Awfully fast to be making such a judgment, I know, but that's more or less normal for me.

This raised some eyebrows, since it's generally not a good idea to trumpet that one sees a potential Gifted, at least not a good idea for the innocents. As a baddie, though, what would this gain him but suspicion? He could have simply let his mates know the next Night.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I resent the accusation that I am in any way happy with these events, because that would suggest that I am in a position to take advantage of it.

In other news . . . well, I do specialize in daring Day 1 declarations.

Oh dear, I seem to have become one of the alliterati. And with D, too! I prefer C, thank you.

*ahem* AS I was going to say before I was rudely interrupted by myself (several times, even!) my mind seems to be on the more, as Nerwen says, talented actors. (translation: it seems like anybody and everybody is dropping hints that they're Gifted. Including, in retrospect . . .



myself). So you'll excuse me if I make a few incautious comments about such.

Hm. Excuses an apparent Gifted fixation with a belief that many are throwing out hints, not just him.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

When am I not? I rather enjoy weirdness. Nonlethal weirdness, mind you; don't get any ideas there.

Well, since it's list-making time:

I am innocent by virtue of being me.
Sally is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
G55 is innocent-ish by virtue of being interesting and better left alive to be studied. Also, by virtue of complimenting me (see above).
Eomer of the Scothirrim is innocent by virtue of being amusing.
As far as the guilty go:
Boromir88 is guilty by virtue of attacking the Scot.
Nerwen is guilty by virtue of disliking something I said.
Shasta is guilty by virtue of not liking yours truly.
Eonwe is guilty by virtue of thinking I'm in the wrong role.
Inziladun is guilty by virtue of agreeing with Nerwolf.
Lottierector is guilty by virtue of having more than three wolves.
And finally, everybody else is guilty by virtue of escaping my notice.

A suspicion list that doesn't look to be all that serious. But what's that about there being more than three wolves? Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I think so, yes. Care to tell me why you're going to vote me? (So I can try to talk you out of it?)

Well, mustn't get too worked up about people latching on to me. (That seems to be becoming a theme of my games . . .) If nothing else happens, I'll probably return Shasta's favor.

EDIT: X'd with Wolfomir88.

A response to Shasta, who'd threatened to vote him.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

. . . Yet another victory for the inability to distinguish jokes made over the internet! Yay!

. . .

That's actually made me more suspicious, by the way. A wolf would be more watchful for potential accusations against himself, would he not?

I'm not sure I get his meaning on the latter bit. There are a couple of ways it could be interpreted.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

Oi oi oi! All I was saying was that you were far, far, far more defensive about it than seems normal to me - something that makes you look wolfish in my eyes. After all, wolves have more to lose if they die.

And yes, I do think I can get away with joking around with clever names - I've seen it happen. Not like I'm saying "Boromir88 is a wolf! Let's lynch him!" or anything, is it?

And finally, I don't expect people to be able to distinguish my jokes particularly well, just to be less inclined to go for my throat about them than you have been.

EDIT: X'd with Eomer. Nice comparison.

I will agree with him that the vehemence with which Boro has gone after him seems a bit out of proportion.

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

*tries to headdesk, realizes he's not at a desk, and settles for a facepalm*

I don't think you're that stupid, so that's probably a deliciously bad joke.

A response to McCaber's apparently joking about him saying Boro was a wolf.

Conclusions? He seems a bit carefree and fearless if he's a wolf, but does come off as a little defensive. Then again, as I said, the force with which some have decided to go after him makes me wonder.

x/d with Steve and Eomer