Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 04-05-2011, 02:01 PM

Confession: I don't have any patience left, waiting for Eodwine to be able to make his appearance at Scarburg. I really didn't think, when I first posted back in October, that I'd still be waiting in April to get Eodwine into action. So i had a thought, and would appreciate some feedback. How would it be if I back-date all of my Eodwine posts, since returning, to "ten days ago" - put that in the title - and have him arrive on this Night?

Thanks,
Elempi

Folwren · 04-05-2011, 02:25 PM

I'm for it.

-- Foley

Thinlómien · 04-05-2011, 04:07 PM

LMP, I understand you want your beloved character back asap and I also see this RPG is currently not moving much. However, bringing Eodwine back will cause complications because Scarburg cannot have two eorls at the same time, and many of the active players' characters are (sometimes irreversibly) tied to the current eorl. That is why I would not rush headlong into the confrontation, because we don't have even an idea of the general future timeline of the RPG (and also because it'd be kind of weird that Eodwine appeared only two days after Athanar - does that make sense with the travelling to Minas Tirith and back?).

Does anybody have any brilliant ideas how to keep the "new" characters in the game and let LMP have Eodwine back at the same time? Please discuss.

littlemanpoet · 04-05-2011, 04:36 PM

Eodwine isn't coming back to be Eorl. He's coming back to be Saeryn's husband, and father of his children. Yes, he'll find out to his surprise that he's been replaced, and he may have to take a little while to process his new situation, but he'll give way to Athanar. That's how he is.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-05-2011, 06:06 PM

Well, it's hardly of my business of all people, as I haven't been around by the time of the first game, but just generally speaking, I think bringing Eodwine in now is not very, well, logical - basically what Lommy had said. I mean, of course it's a pity if you, LMP, wanted to bring him back and we have been slow, but I guess nothing much can be done about it, unless we wanted to e.g. skip and jump somewhere in time, or something (although there are still present issues, and several of them, which I think people would still like to solve, in personal stories of their characters etc. - even thinking of your own).

But from the purely in-story perspective, I think it would really be a bit too much of a stretch, for logic... say, even if Eodwine suddenly miraculously got well on the very same day Athanar came to Scarburg (while just a day before he must have looked like dying - otherwise Éomer would have known that he is okay and thus he could have waited just a while and simply put him back into place, without the need to bring Athanar!), it still would take at least a while to get from Minas Tirith to Scarburg... not to mention, wouldn't Eodwine still be left for some time after his apparent recovery for "rest" at the Houses of Healing? (And if he already was in the process of recovery, strolling the gardens like Faramir, that would logically clash with what I have said above about Éomer - if Eodwine's been healthy already for several weeks, Athanar wouldn't have been sent to Scarburg in the first place, or at most sent in as a temporary replacement for a week or two, until Eodwine can come by himself - which it apparently wasn't.)

I don't want, of all things, to be a slave to some story or logic - a story, especially a fantastic one, can always be altered to fit us if we need it, but I think this would possibly be stretching it a little bit too much... beyond believability. Sadly, here it conflicts with the appearance of one character... but I would say that's what the RP brings with itself, if you took some role of such an important character like Eodwine. Tolkien would have said that the character you have created has its own life now, at some point you cease to become its full master. There is an "objective reality" of our "Faerie" world, here represented also by the fact that the time flows according to how the other players post. I don't know-perhaps you could still focus rather just on other of your characters, and simply wait a while longer? Perhaps with the lords' matter being cleared up, it won't take us that long to move forwards in time. For now, I can very well understand how much you'd like to post for Eodwine, but then, it was also your choice to make him leave in the first place.

Just my opinion in general. Like I said, though, I'm probably the least of all to have anything to say about this...

littlemanpoet · 04-05-2011, 07:09 PM

Ouch.

Folwren · 04-05-2011, 09:53 PM

Oh! Poor Elempi! You're little post above makes me sad.

Legate is right, though.

Can we all make a very conserted effort to get this Day wrapped up in the near future? Before April ends? Please? Because then we can leap forward to when it would be logical for Eodwine to return.

-- Folwren

littlemanpoet · 04-06-2011, 09:42 AM

I understand the logic of the story. The army of the Rohirrim traveled from Edoras to Minas Tirith in 4 or 5 days, NOT using the road all the time. Based on that, I figure travel time to Scarburg would be 5 longish days, maybe 6. This is why I posited 10 days previous, to give Eodwine at least 4 or 5 days recovery. If this is deemed not enough time, I understand and I'll just wait. Under these circumstances, I must confess that I will continue to find it difficult to be motivated to post.

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

... it was also your choice to make him leave in the first place.

I want to be sure that I understand this correctly. It appears that you are saying, Legate, that it is my own fault that Eodwine has been sick in Minas Tirth. Am I understanding you correctly?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-06-2011, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

I understand the logic of the story. The army of the Rohirrim traveled from Edoras to Minas Tirith in 4 or 5 days, NOT using the road all the time. Based on that, I figure travel time to Scarburg would be 5 longish days, maybe 6. This is why I posited 10 days previous, to give Eodwine at least 4 or 5 days recovery. If this is deemed not enough time, I understand and I'll just wait. Under these circumstances, I must confess that I will continue to find it difficult to be motivated to post.

The 10 days looked, with the bit of stretch as much as story normally can allow and allows, logical enough to me. It's just that him popping up tomorrow that struck me as quite weird...

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Originally Posted by LMP

I want to be sure that I understand this correctly. It appears that you are saying, Legate, that it is my own fault that Eodwine has been sick in Minas Tirth. Am I understanding you correctly?

Well, I don't know how the story exactly came to that point, as I haven't been around when it happened, but of course, he's your character, isn't he? I don't know if you call it "fault", but it is how things are, apparently. (Not sure what you are following by asking about this, because you know a lot more about it than me.) I gathered that you had put Eodwine "on standby" (or that you originally didn't want to make him return at all, assuming from that Athanar etc. was supposed to take his post permanently?), so now of course there was trouble with bringing him back, because the game continued with counting on your original idea of him not being there at the moment, or for long (although as we can see, possibilities to do it are still there, only it does not go as smoothly).

Durelin · 04-06-2011, 10:20 AM

Well, yea. As I understood it, LMP, there was no when you were coming back. So it's a bit strange to me to come back and expect everything to fall into place for you, even if it has been a lengthy time since your surprise return -- especially when (as far as I know) you did not communicate until yesterday what even your intentions were for Eodwine.

Even if Eodwine does not feel the need to retake his post as Eorl, it still greatly affects every character (and likely the arrangements made by the king) to have the former Eorl return who apparently has a lot of people loyal to him. I'm not saying then that it can't happen (obviously it can and could be interesting), but that since it is a big deal that has a big effect on the RP, it's not necessarily one person's right to say it's happening now.

You know, discussion is good. Maybe if this sort of discussion had happened as soon as you got back, you'd be closer to having Eodwine back. As far as I know it didn't?

Yes, I know, I haven't posted in ages (so why am I posting here now? >_>). Too much politicking and nitpicking, IC and OOC. Need(ed) a break. To those I haven't apologized to already, I'm sorry.

Maybe we do need to talk about the future of the RP, though. If it's still fun for people or not. I don't really have much business in that, but obviously I'm not the only one who hasn't been posting. Though everyone has their own reasons.

04-05-2011, 02:25 PM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I'm for it. -- Foley __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

04-05-2011, 04:07 PM	#3
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	LMP, I understand you want your beloved character back asap and I also see this RPG is currently not moving much. However, bringing Eodwine back will cause complications because Scarburg cannot have two eorls at the same time, and many of the active players' characters are (sometimes irreversibly) tied to the current eorl. That is why I would not rush headlong into the confrontation, because we don't have even an idea of the general future timeline of the RPG (and also because it'd be kind of weird that Eodwine appeared only two days after Athanar - does that make sense with the travelling to Minas Tirith and back?). Does anybody have any brilliant ideas how to keep the "new" characters in the game and let LMP have Eodwine back at the same time? Please discuss. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

04-05-2011, 06:06 PM	#5
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Well, it's hardly of my business of all people, as I haven't been around by the time of the first game, but just generally speaking, I think bringing Eodwine in now is not very, well, logical - basically what Lommy had said. I mean, of course it's a pity if you, LMP, wanted to bring him back and we have been slow, but I guess nothing much can be done about it, unless we wanted to e.g. skip and jump somewhere in time, or something (although there are still present issues, and several of them, which I think people would still like to solve, in personal stories of their characters etc. - even thinking of your own). But from the purely in-story perspective, I think it would really be a bit too much of a stretch, for logic... say, even if Eodwine suddenly miraculously got well on the very same day Athanar came to Scarburg (while just a day before he must have looked like dying - otherwise Éomer would have known that he is okay and thus he could have waited just a while and simply put him back into place, without the need to bring Athanar!), it still would take at least a while to get from Minas Tirith to Scarburg... not to mention, wouldn't Eodwine still be left for some time after his apparent recovery for "rest" at the Houses of Healing? (And if he already was in the process of recovery, strolling the gardens like Faramir, that would logically clash with what I have said above about Éomer - if Eodwine's been healthy already for several weeks, Athanar wouldn't have been sent to Scarburg in the first place, or at most sent in as a temporary replacement for a week or two, until Eodwine can come by himself - which it apparently wasn't.) I don't want, of all things, to be a slave to some story or logic - a story, especially a fantastic one, can always be altered to fit us if we need it, but I think this would possibly be stretching it a little bit too much... beyond believability. Sadly, here it conflicts with the appearance of one character... but I would say that's what the RP brings with itself, if you took some role of such an important character like Eodwine. Tolkien would have said that the character you have created has its own life now, at some point you cease to become its full master. There is an "objective reality" of our "Faerie" world, here represented also by the fact that the time flows according to how the other players post. I don't know-perhaps you could still focus rather just on other of your characters, and simply wait a while longer? Perhaps with the lords' matter being cleared up, it won't take us that long to move forwards in time. For now, I can very well understand how much you'd like to post for Eodwine, but then, it was also your choice to make him leave in the first place. Just my opinion in general. Like I said, though, I'm probably the least of all to have anything to say about this... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-05-2011, 09:53 PM	#7
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Oh! Poor Elempi! You're little post above makes me sad. Legate is right, though. Can we all make a very conserted effort to get this Day wrapped up in the near future? Before April ends? Please? Because then we can leap forward to when it would be logical for Eodwine to return. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

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04-05-2011, 02:01 PM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Confession: I don't have any patience left, waiting for Eodwine to be able to make his appearance at Scarburg. I really didn't think, when I first posted back in October, that I'd still be waiting in April to get Eodwine into action. So i had a thought, and would appreciate some feedback. How would it be if I back-date all of my Eodwine posts, since returning, to "ten days ago" - put that in the title - and have him arrive on this Night? Thanks, Elempi

04-05-2011, 04:36 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Eodwine isn't coming back to be Eorl. He's coming back to be Saeryn's husband, and father of his children. Yes, he'll find out to his surprise that he's been replaced, and he may have to take a little while to process his new situation, but he'll give way to Athanar. That's how he is.

04-05-2011, 07:09 PM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Ouch.

04-06-2011, 10:20 AM	#10
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Well, yea. As I understood it, LMP, there was no when you were coming back. So it's a bit strange to me to come back and expect everything to fall into place for you, even if it has been a lengthy time since your surprise return -- especially when (as far as I know) you did not communicate until yesterday what even your intentions were for Eodwine. Even if Eodwine does not feel the need to retake his post as Eorl, it still greatly affects every character (and likely the arrangements made by the king) to have the former Eorl return who apparently has a lot of people loyal to him. I'm not saying then that it can't happen (obviously it can and could be interesting), but that since it is a big deal that has a big effect on the RP, it's not necessarily one person's right to say it's happening now. You know, discussion is good. Maybe if this sort of discussion had happened as soon as you got back, you'd be closer to having Eodwine back. As far as I know it didn't? Yes, I know, I haven't posted in ages (so why am I posting here now? >_>). Too much politicking and nitpicking, IC and OOC. Need(ed) a break. To those I haven't apologized to already, I'm sorry. Maybe we do need to talk about the future of the RP, though. If it's still fun for people or not. I don't really have much business in that, but obviously I'm not the only one who hasn't been posting. Though everyone has their own reasons.