Fan project: Lalaith's deeds

[satansaloser2005]

Are you requesting help, or trying to give us fair warning, or wanting ideas, or what? I'm sorry, but I don't understand the point of this thread. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

[Galadriel55]

This thread is Urwen's resopnse to this thread. It has nothing to do with insulting or praising Lalaith, just annoying Urwen. She insists on making a way-out-of-proportion-angel out of Lalaith, and it tends to get on peoples nerves. The link I gave is where we sort of "get revenge".

[Urwen]

No, in fact, that thread was in response to this thread.

And if you do that, I'll go with cheesy lemon:

Nonsense. Lalaith wasn't even born at the time. All misfortune of Nargothrond was caused by very rare creature and the one who slew it. You see, a unicorn lived in forest near Nargothrond. One day, Celegorm went out hunting and slew it. Thus, misfortune came upon Nargothrond and Celegorm was banished cos of that. After that, Celegorm had only one goal in mind: to find Aredhel and escape back to west with her. To his woe, when he arrived in Gondolin, Aredhel was dead. Driven by longing and weariness, he forsook jis oath and went crawling to Melkor, begging him to bring Aredhel back to life. Melkor agreed, but under one condition: Celegorm had to kill Dior and bring the lost Silmaril back to Morgoth. In desperation, Celegorm consented. Once Aredhel lived, Celegorm hid her in secret and safe place. He rallied his brothers, under excuse of fulfilling the oath, to kill Dior. Once Celegorm had the Silmaril, he walked away. He and Aredhel were never seen in Middle Earth again.

And then this:

Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off

Meanwhille, Thingol had shady negotiations with Haleth & Nellas. He made a deal that if they killed him, he would have fun with them in Mandos. You really think dwarves killed him? No, it was Nellas and Haleth with her people, disguised as dwarves. Hurin, of course, participated, as dwarf named Ibanzil (which means 'leader').

Turgon disliked dwarves, and Maeglin disliked mortal men. Yet, they harboured Tuor, along with his little 'sister'. But his 'sister' was, in fact, his cousin. He of course, renamed Lalaith, for purpose of saving Idril. He renamed her after Idril's mother.

Hurin, after killing Thingol, and after Melian left, Hurin threw himself in the sea.

As for Lalaith, she personally threw Maeglin off the cliff. People confused her with Tuor because they're cousins. Real Tuor, along with Idril and many others, already escaped. After washing her hands, Lalaith went after them and joined them at havens of Sirion.

And everybody (except Hurin and Maeglin) lived happily.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, Urwen, chronology supports that your thread came first.

However, what is being asked is not which came first, but what this thread is for. It seems like you have an idea, some project in mind. What is it and why are you sharing it?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Urwen

cheesy lemon:

???

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

why are you sharing it?

Good question. Urwen, I have to admit you've got me intrigued with your Lalaith obsession. I feel there must be some reason behind your choosing a very minor character in Tolkien's Legendarium and exaggerating her importance beyond all proportion, and I'd love to understand what it is. Care to explain?

[TPotSS]

I don't know about "deeds" (I don't think Lalaith would have done a lot in the sense of slaying and adventuring), but I think she would make the world a better place.

If Turin had been able to go to Doriath with his beloved sister, it wouldn't have been even half as lonely and sad for him, and he doesn't grow up so dark. He'd still be there when Morwen and Nienor arrive, and they'd be so happy! And probably when having meetings/conferences with their allies in Nargothrond a more normal Turin would fall in love with Finduilas and yay- another man/elf union!

And meanwhile the best best friend of Turin, Beleg, would be hanging around all the time and I think he'd probably fall in love with Lalaith and they'd get married too! (I've wondered about Nienor... Maybe Mablung?)

So once Hurin got out of Angband, he'd have a family waiting for him and he'd want to stick around. Happy ending!

So even without actual "deeds", I think Lalaith just being the delightful little lass that she is would've been the counter to Morgoth's curse. Call her a minor character if you wish, but she may be far more important than you think.

[Galadriel55]

So even without actual "deeds", I think Lalaith just being the delightful little lass that she is would've been the counter to Morgoth's curse. Call her a minor character if you wish, but she may be far more important than you think.

I agree with you on this. Lalaith in COH is indeed what you described (although three elf-man marriages isn't something that's likely to happen). However, the argument is why Urwen chooses to exaggerate everything that concerns this character. Also, why she puts the importance on other things about Lalaith (other than being innocent, happy, unmarred, a source of cheer and love, etc)?