The Valley Forge - WW LXXXVII - Admin Thread

[elronds_daughter]

I just figured out where the potential DL times are for me: 3 p.m. CST is really bad for me three days out of the week (smack dab in the middle of my school/work day), but the later DL would work marvelously all the time.

Just thought you should have my input.

[Mithalwen]

However for me the 3 pm one would be best since I think that would be 9pm GMT whereas the other would be a horrendous 5 am...

[Folwren]

Welcome, elrond's daughter. Sorry you can't play, Galadriel. Mith, I'm happy to have you aboard.

Yes, I would like to hear people's input on what deadline would be best for them. However, the final call will probably be if I think I will be able to effectively work my schedule around it, because I plan on spending about an hour before each deadline figuring out what happened and how best to write it. 11:00 P.M. works for me because I know I will always have the hour between 10 and 11 clear. 3:00 is less certain, as I am at work two days a week and although I have internet access, I don't always have time.

What is the cursed role?

EDIT: Mith, about your question about what happens if the KD is lynched: the game will continue as normal, until the Forge's members are all killed or until the Forge whittles down the number of villagers to their remaining number. I have put this into the first post.

EDIT #2: A lot of nick-names have been made up for players. When we have our full player list, I'd like to request one of two things. Either people call everyone by their screen names or obvious shortenings there-of (i.e. Inzil, Mith, and Shasta) or somebody post a list for me with screen-names and nick-names so I can tell who's being called what. Otherwise I fear I might lynch the wrong person, and that'd be baaaaad.

[Mithalwen]

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

Heartily endorse the use of true or obvious nicknames early. I think there is a list somewhere but it drove me nuts in the last game... having not played for ages particularly I found it deeply annoying to have obscure nicknames bandied by the cognoscenti.

The cursed is a prechosen player who if attacked by a wolf at night doesn't die but turns into a wolf and joins the pack. they don't know they are cursed until they are "turned" and nothing happens if they are lynched so it is a bit of a wild card.

Oh can the watchman protect KD from the other Forge members?

[Inziladun]

Any DL is no problem for me. If I can't be around at that time, so be it. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm willing to play, I just think a 1-3 baddie/goodie ratio with only one real gifted is slightly unbalanced.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm willing to play, I just think a 1-3 baddie/goodie ratio with only one real gifted is slightly unbalanced.

Well games have been won with the Seer being the only gifted in a game before. From my understanding the King's Dwarf already knows the identity of the Valley Forge/wolves and has to try to get them killed during the day lynch? In a way the King's Dwarf is a seer who knows the wolves already. The tricky part would be not dying, and getting the bystanders to go along.

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't have said anything, because I was just coming in to say I can't play in this (or any WW games in the foreseeable future). My weekends are booked until April with trips and I can't reasonably participate in a game that will make me internetless at least 3 days of the week. However, Foley, if you want to talk balance, hammer out any questions or details, feel free to PM me.

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

True enough. My concern with the 3 p.m. CST DL was mostly just that there might be some days where I would have to vote only a few hours into the Day, and I think it's hardly fair to everyone else playing for me to only be present for a few hours, and those vastly before DL.

But yes, Foley, choose whatever works best for you. If I have to vote obscenely early, then that's what I must do. Unless you think it would make a horrid game for everyone else - in which case I shall withdraw.

Whatever you think best, O Great Mod.

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Foley, I do hope you realise I am not being critical - just only too aware that the one situation that hasn't been anticipated is likely to arise... and while I am shoving my oar in I would add that moddidng is more effort than you may think and you must be selfish and choose the best time for you - you can't please everyone with a world wide clientele so you may as well suit yourself.

I haven't felt you were being critical, so it's all good. I appreciate your input.

Oh can the watchman protect KD from the other Forge members?

Sure, if he can figure out who he is, I guess.

Originally Posted by Legate

I have only one question, or concern, regarding the King's Dwarf: what actually prevents the King's Dwarf from coming out the first Day and saying "Hi! I am KD, the rest of the baddies are X, Y and Z."? I think a person with any sense for sporty game wouldn't do that, but just hypothetically, I could see a problem with this. Or is it so that the KD can only win if he/she really, really survives until the end? (If so, then perhaps you should emphasise it a bit more strongly...)

Well, the main thing that prevents him from coming out on Day 1 is the fact that the Forges will kill him during the night. Or, as Mith suggested, he could put himself up for killing that evening. But that would completely ruin the entirety of the game and I would be really cranky.

No, my intention was that the KD could never announce to anybody his true identity. I am sorry I never said this. As you can see, I really don't know what I'm doing and am only learning as I go along.

I'm trying to think realistically in the context of my scenerio - the KD doesn't want to die, so he can't tell the villagers who he is because then either the villagers won't kill him and the Forges will, or the villagers will kill him so the Forges won't. Heads he loses, tails he...doesn't win. I almost made it so that the game would be over if he died at all, but I figured that would be way too difficult.

So the idea of a sort of seer, so that the villgers would have another gifted...
And also the idea that 1 in 3 being a Forge member is too much...
I will think it over. You are probably right.

What do you all think of the idea of the KD choosing the Sweetheart?

Edit: Nerwen, are you joining us?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Well, the main thing that prevents him from coming out on Day 1 is the fact that the Forges will kill him during the night. Or, as Mith suggested, he could put himself up for killing that evening. But that would completely ruin the entirety of the game and I would be really cranky.

Well, and that's exactly what I am trying to prevent by asking about it... Because, even if the person does not want to reveal by himself, what if... let's put it this way: It is Day 1. (Or Day Anything, for that matter.) The village agrees that X is a Wolf and needs to be lynched. Basically everybody agrees on that there is something fishy about the fellow and votes start to fall. Half of the people has voted, our person X is in the lead and it does not seem like the votes are going to turn elsewhere anytime soon. However, unbeknownst to the village, person X is the King's Dwarf. Now what is the person going to do? If the situation looks really desperate? I think quite many people will be tempted (and under certain circumstances, it might be really the most reasonable thing to do, especially if there are only two other WWs left, the person can even very well win at that point) to just say "okay, I am probably going to die, but I will at least help the village. Okay, hear ye people, I am the King's Dwarf. Even if you now stop voting for me, I will likely die soon, but I can tell you that the Wolves are Y and Z." And what then? Will there be anything to prevent that?

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, and that's exactly what I am trying to prevent by asking about it... Because, even if the person does not want to reveal by himself, what if... let's put it this way: It is Day 1. (Or Day Anything, for that matter.) The village agrees that X is a Wolf and needs to be lynched. Basically everybody agrees on that there is something fishy about the fellow and votes start to fall. Half of the people has voted, our person X is in the lead and it does not seem like the votes are going to turn elsewhere anytime soon. However, unbeknownst to the village, person X is the King's Dwarf. Now what is the person going to do? If the situation looks really desperate? I think quite many people will be tempted (and under certain circumstances, it might be really the most reasonable thing to do, especially if there are only two other WWs left, the person can even very well win at that point) to just say "okay, I am probably going to die, but I will at least help the village. Okay, hear ye people, I am the King's Dwarf. Even if you now stop voting for me, I will likely die soon, but I can tell you that the Wolves are Y and Z." And what then? Will there be anything to prevent that?

Ah. A likely scenerio. Hm. Is it ridiculous of me to say that the KD CAN'T under any circumstances say outright who he is? I'd like to, as that's pretty much how I was thinking of it in my mind, but is it fair to expect that? Plus, if I don't make that rule, we can have all sorts of false claims and double bluffing going on. I'll think about this, too.