Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

But I suppose if they won't debate it, we can do that here for them.

Should you have to vote for an even player, please oh please don't give your votes to Boro. He is a rotter and a cad and he's the reason for this massive snowstorm in the US and the hurricane in Australia.

If you have to vote for an odd player, there can be no better decision than a vote for Phantom. He is wise and kind and always brushes his teeth before bed. A model citizen!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

But I suppose if they won't debate it, we can do that here for them.

Should you have to vote for an even player, please oh please don't give your votes to Boro. He is a rotter and a cad and he's the reason for this massive snowstorm in the US and the hurricane in Australia.

If you have to vote for an odd player, there can be no better decision than a vote for Phantom. He is wise and kind and always brushes his teeth before bed. A model citizen!

A model citizen with bad morning breath. If, you know, that matters. It's not necessarily lupine halitosis, but it's still something to consider.

(I do agree on Boro, however. If you give him extra votes, I shall be very put out.)

I can personally assure the dead that I have the innocents' best interest at heart, and that while I'm quiet I'm doing all I can to avenge the deaths of Fea, Shasta, and others. Yes, sir.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I have hands to kiss and babies to shake. I'll catch up again later.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mith

With Greenie doing her cat thing (wall staring) I would be quite grateful if you don't lynch the only person on my continent who speaks.

Aww, sorry Mith! By the time I was finished with the wall staring my 'Downs had decided not to cooperate.

Originally Posted by Phantom

But go ahead, Boro, keep yammering. And keep bossing the village into doing pointless things, like the voting in red thing. That is NOT the best solution. The best solution is to leave the Dead open to act according to previous intelligence. Did you suggest the voting alternative in hopes that we will vote not to find out about Nessa? My goodness man, if Nessa turns out to be guilty you will look very bad indeed.

I might be really stupid now but didn't Boro say he wanted Nessa checked? Are you suggesting he's trying some reverse psychology or what?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

I might be really stupid now but didn't Boro say he wanted Nessa checked? Are you suggesting he's trying some reverse psychology or what?

That is a possibility.

The other possibility is that he already knows Lommy will be found guilty and wishes for the Dead to completely waste their next check on a guiltless Nessa. (I seem to have forgotten to make this other point last time. I meant to.)

Either way I'm prepared to condemn him.

While that may seem ridiculous, I maintain that it was a suggestion that needn't have been made UNLESS he was trying to accomplish something sneaky, whatever it may be.

His answer to this will determine how willing I am to start a campaign against him. His determination to argue with me- I don't know if it's the foolhardy attempt of a Wolf to take away any sway I might have (which means he's bad), or an honest bout of suspicion (which makes him good), or a simple desire to pick a fight with me (which means he's a Cobbler).

[A Little Green]

Again, not including all her points or even coverage of all she said. Too lazy for that.

Day 1

Banter (after most others had moved on); on topic, she says this:

So far I don't think Lottie is causing the good kind of chaos. Her interaction with Shasta seems a bit random to me, even for so early. Might I suggest Wolf Pack PopSicles? It's too early to tell though, so I'll have to look again later. I barely had time to skim, so alas I wasn't able to look at much.

And unless I'm much mistaken that was her only post that Day. No vote.

Day 2

I don't like some of the things I've seen regarding Boro, so he may get my vote, but I also still don't think Lottie is my good little pop. Those are my current choices.

++Boro


I don't have time to consider Nog's revelation right now, but I suspect Boro a bit as it is and I think he'll make a decent "rival" candidate, rather than a possible throwaway on Lottie.

This I find somewhat fishy though she did have very little time. It wouldn't have taken so much more time to type in a few reasons for why Boro is suspicious. Or Lottie, for that matter.

Day 3

Huge rereading project; I will not even try to quote all of that here. She's starting to suspect Ang:

Re: #1. Oh, goodness, no. The only time I’d go for a multiple lynch is if we had a darn good chance of catching a wolf, and even then it could end poorly. What if we lynch two cobblers? They could influence the dead thread and get us pretty much no information whatsoever.

Re: #2. This is actually a good point. Too good, in fact. It’s good to think on wolf tactics, but this seems too much like a wolf planning ahead.

This is making me think that tangy Ang is more like fangy Ang.

And a union of baddies in the dead thread can compromise what little information we can get. Cobblers, special information or not, are perceptive and can do more damage than we often realize.

And that? That just makes me....gah, wolf radar is pinging like mad. If you’re an ordo, you dying will do the village no good. If you’re a wolf, this serves your team a great advantage.

So apparently she's in the "Cobblers are dangerous" camp. Of course an innocent could very well be of that opinion too, but it is very convenient for a wolf if the village is after cobblers rather than them. Be that as it may - I'm not sure I'm following the logic of the last sentence. How would Angwolf's death serve his team a great advantage?

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Phantom, but our gifteds (at least our ranger) are better undead than unharmed. I’m almost tempted to say that the ranger should come out and be double lynched toDay, but there are too many problems with the plan to even begin to count. If our ranger was brave and selfless, however, I’d totally be up for it. At the same time, however, it would be better to sacrifice the ranger at a later time, so they could bring back the most information possible from the dead thread. Save more people or bring us more information? It’s up to us to decide which is more valuable.

This looks like pressuring Glorfy to come out. I'm not commenting on whether he should, it's his business to evaluate that, but I don't like pressuring Gifted to do this or that.
And starting to suspect Nessa:

This just screams wolf to me, and you can’t convince me otherwise. It’s like she’s concocted the perfect friendly cute useless but hoping to be helpful post. Wolf! Wolf!

This seems too strange as well. “Oh no, look at me, I’m so helpless and don’t know what to do!”

Yes and no. Sorry, dear, but this isn’t so much in the sense-making category. I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it would work. Wolf kills over cobbler kills, yes, but let’s not plan to keep baddies around just because they’re a lower class of evil.

So yet again bringing up the "Cobblers are dangerous" -point. I don't like the way she's stressing it.

Okieday, time to vote.

++Nessa

She initially struck me as evil, and that impression hasn't changed. Thus, death to her.

Initially? As in, from the start? Only there was no mention of that. Or initially, as in, it was in her posts from the start, but only noticed it now?

Day 4

Anyway, excellent! Now, who's up for killing fAng?

I dislike the double lynch. I dislike Lottie's part in said double lynch. I dislike Ang, and would be happy with lynching either of them toDay. I still dislike Boro, but can't decide between wolf and cobbler for him (am leaning toward the latter right now) so he's not my top priority.


Also....

Dead, please check toDay's lynch.

I'd like to know Lommy's role first, and then we can worry about Nessa.

This sudden indifference about Nessa looks strange to me, after how much she concentrated on her yesterDay. As for Boro - Sally, why do you find him suspicious? I never found an explanation for that.

I can personally assure the dead that I have the innocents' best interest at heart, and that while I'm quiet I'm doing all I can to avenge the deaths of Fea, Shasta, and others. Yes, sir.

I'm curious - is there a reason why you mention Fea of all our beloved corpses? Just a random example, or what? Sorry, I am aware I'm being nit-picky (though I suppose someone has to be now Agan is dead ) but it just caught my eye.

So in sum? I'm finding Sally rather fishy at the moment. Less so if she answers my questions. (Though that depends on the answers actually..) Her Day 2 vote was not given proper reasons for, she's held to that suspect since but still hasn't told why; also, her sudden reluctance at having her dead top suspect's role revealed looks bad to me. I fear I might be reading too much into things though..

Gah. It's late again.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom

[A Little Green]

That is a possibility.

The other possibility is that he already knows Lommy will be found guilty and wishes for the Dead to completely waste their next check on a guiltless Nessa. (I seem to have forgotten to make this other point last time. I meant to.)

Either way I'm prepared to condemn him.

The reverse psychology idea sounds far-fetched to me. (Yeah, I know, I came up with it myself.) As for the second, it makes sense, assuming both Boro and Lommy are/were wolves (pun intended) - or Bobbler is certain that Lommy was a wolf and Nessa was not. If neither is the case, the logic fails. Speaking of that, you seem pretty certain they both are evil. I still think Lommy probably was, but I'm not at all convinced that Boro is.

[A Little Green]

On another note - it's getting pretty late here, which means I'll have to go soon. I'd have wanted to check at least someone else before doing so, but somehow I was here later than I had expected.


EDIT: Yay, triple post! Or not yay actually, where is everyone?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So apparently she's in the "Cobblers are dangerous" camp. Of course an innocent could very well be of that opinion too, but it is very convenient for a wolf if the village is after cobblers rather than them. Be that as it may - I'm not sure I'm following the logic of the last sentence. How would Angwolf's death serve his team a great advantage?

Originally Posted by Greenie

So yet again bringing up the "Cobblers are dangerous" -point. I don't like the way she's stressing it.

If that's all Sally said about it she didn't say much– the only noteworthy thing there is that she seems to have flipped completely on whether said cobblers should be lynched– also the bizarre suggestion that Anguirel is a wolf trying to get lynched on purpose.

Hmmn. I really don't trust Sally this game, but I'm getting a funny vibe from this too– it seems like A Little Green is just chiming in with the earlier "wolves-hunt-cobblers" talk, when, in fact, Sally has also had "wolf" suspects.

The other points are valid enough, though.

EDIT: word left out.

[Nerwen]

STOP PRESS!

BG has turned up in Mandos!

[A Little Green]

Well past bed time once again. I'm going to go with

++ Sally

I know this looks silly, but both my more serious suspects died yesterDay and thus I thought to do some advanced rereading and rethinking toDay. I then got some time issues, resulting in me only having enough time to check Sally who I found fishy. So that's it. I should be able to contribute more toMorrow in case I'm still alive. Good night!


EDIT: x-ed with two Nerwens. Typical. People turn up just as I'm leaving. Also, BG? What?

[satansaloser2005]

Quick note. I never said cobblers were more dangerous than wolves or that we should lynch them instead of wolves. I disagreed with Phantom's "long live the cobblers" idea, and I didn't want us to forget that the cobblers were dangerous (and in fact I think they can do more damage because they appear innocent to the masses, enabling them to wreak havoc).

I do NOT support a campaign to kill cobblers before wolves. I DO approve of the school of thought that cobblers are POTENTIALLY more dangerous than the wolves. There's a difference.

I'll try to get to the rest of Greenie's questions in a bit. My head hurts. >.<

ETA: x'd since Nerwen's #624

[Nerwen]

Hey, Sally, you double-posted.