Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Agan

When I first read this I thought it was Boro's explanation for believing Nog's claim (which I found extremely fishy) but now that it isn't 4 am anymore, I see it wasn't the case and it actually makes sense. Hmm okay then there's his next post where his opinion changes (after phantom corrected him about the rules) so I don't know what he meant after all...

I never truly believed his claim, but I thought the reason baddies make fake reveals is the desperate attempt to save themselves for at least one more day. However, I thought if a wolf-Nog was truly trying to save himself it would have been far easier to just say he didn't have a wolf, or if he was going to name someone as a baddie, than to name that person as a wolf. To me, calling phantom a cobbler wasn't a sure fire way for Nog to save himself, which is the objective of an fake reveal.

At that time I didn't come to any sure conclusion about Nog's reveal, but I wasn't really believing it either.

Then when phantom pointed out since the cobblers aren't going to be revealed in the dead thread, it's actually smarter that he names a cobbler because then Nog's fake seer claim would be harder to check. If Nog claims phantom's a wolf, phantom dies, and it turns up in the dead thread phantom is not a wolf, Nog's trick is up. I wasn't thinking about the cobblers prior, and once phantom pointed out why Nog would chose to call him a cobbler instead of a wolf, I was dead set convinced Nog had fake revealed. And that he's probably a cobbler, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up wolf either.

That all occured before your own trap, which I did not see until waking up later (which the BD happened to be brokey for a while when I did wake up )

I think Nessa's too easy of a target. Granted, that's what everyone said when she was a wolf previously, that she was getting framed, but then she fueled the idea she was getting framed. I think we tend to forget when you really don't have any information it's difficult to come up with some impeccable shiny-phantom idea. All you can really do is read what's posted, guess at who sounds good to you, which typically looks like you're just sitting back and going with the flow. Going with the flow is not really a solid reason to suspect someone of wolvery, and Glirdan, you shouldn't overlook the times when Nessa has added her own ideas.

I may be back. I may not be.

++Lommy

Reasons should be clear enough from my previous post. And I didn't even get to her opinions about Nog, which really said nothing about what her opinions were. Nog Day 1 "seemed ok" and was then was giving her a headache Day 2. And then the comment about how Shasta's (or was it Fea's? I forget) death made Nog look better.

As for me, I'm ready to make my own bed.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

++Lommy

Reasons should be clear enough from my previous post. And I didn't even get to her opinions about Nog, which really said nothing about what her opinions were. Nog Day 1 "seemed ok" and was then was giving her a headache Day 2. And then the comment about how Shasta's (or was it Fea's? I forget) death made Nog look better.

Hey come on now that's over the top! I think (I don't remember) I thought Nog okay on Day1, but yesterDay I was confused. There was something fishy in his manner, yet it was fishy in the typical Nogrod manner. I wasn't around when he made his revelation. And as for toDay - I have quite clearly said several times I think it's most likely he was a cobbler.

I think you're taking this a bit personally, which I'm sorry about, because I never meant to provoke you that way (I know you said you're not insulted, which is good, 'cos I'm not trying to insult anyone).

Wondering if this is a sign of innocence and I shouldn't vote you toDay...?

Gah. I should make a list to organise my head. I have so many probable cobblers in my head and only a few probable wolves.

[elronds_daughter]

Well, the only opinions I've developed over the course of the day are a) I tend to think the people who do lots of in-depth analyzing (e.g., Greenie, Glirdy) are innocent; b) I still don't like the way phantom's been coming across*, but I won't vote for him today because I think he's just a cobbler; c) I'm not sure what to make of this whole Boro vs. Lommy...thing...but if I had to choose one of them right now I'd side with Boro.

I'll be back later to vote.


*Greenie, I feel I ought to explain how tp went from "on my good side" to "pinging my uh-oh radar", since it seemed to worry you a bit (though not enough to think I'm guilty, thanks for that). I have a bad habit of sometimes only skimming through people's tome-posts, and tp was at first distilling those down to a point where my overtaxed brain could understand....but then his nice distillations turned into confusion-sowing (at least that's how I perceived it). Hence the switch. He hasn't talked much today, though. I'm not sure what to make of that.

EDIT: x'ed with lots, in particular sally who explained tp's silence.