Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[the phantom]

Lottie- you should vote me for Rep, right away!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If the Phantom gets a rep-vote, my head will explode. Again. That is all.

(Hi Phantom, nice of you to join us. )

[the phantom]

Yes, well, I simply had to join once I discovered that I get to make noise from beginning to end no matter what happens.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yes, well, I simply had to join once I discovered that I get to make noise from beginning to end no matter what happens.

I would have thought that would appeal to you.

[Glirdan]

[QUOTE=tp]Yes, well, I simply had to join once I discovered that I get to make noise from beginning to end no matter what happens[quote] and for this and this reason only I say we keep him alive......that way he can only cause headaches in one area

[the phantom]

Okay, so, here's what we know thus far....

Shasta- Seer!
Nogrod- Hunter!
Aganzir- Ordo
Glirdan- Cobbler!
Green- Ordo
Nerwen- Beren!
Lottie- Wolf!
Wilwa- Ordo
Legate- Wolf!
Lommy- Glorfindel!
Blind- Ordo
Sally- Ordo
Boro- Cobbler!
Mith- Ordo
Ang- Ordo
Fea- Ordo
Phantom- Ordo

I've never played with these three, so I'm having difficulty reading them, but we know that one is a Wolf, one is a Cobbler, and the remaining is Luthien.
elronds_daughter
Mänwe
Nessa

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, if you're making Nerwen Beren then I kind of obviously have to be Luthien, don't I? Which means you're wrong in at least one regard.

I love puncturing phantom's stuff.

[the phantom]

Shasta- but it's a trick! Morgoth knew we'd assume you and Nerwen were paired, so he changed it up! He's a tricky fellow.

And that's an excellent idea, Glirdan, but it wasn't what I had planned. Here's what I'm thinking-

Early on I'm going to keep my cards close, and then on Day 2 I will charge forth with great energy and force and accurately accuse all our evil-doers! To silence me they will attempt to slay me that night, but Lommy despite her dislike for me will valiantly rescue me from them! Then on Day 3 the baddies will go all out to try and get me lynched, and unfortunately several of you innocents will be swayed, and I will descend into the Dead Thread in great wrath. Once there I will continue making the same case day after day in post after post, which will make everyone hate me a bit, but that will be nothing compared to the way people feel at the end when I am proven correct and act absolutely insufferable about it.

[the phantom]

And now, I will predict what all the old guard players are thinking as they start reading at the beginning of the thread...

"How delightful! Lots of old faces back for this one! Mith and Ang even, what a treat! And Phantom, well- I never agreed with his style, but I seem to remember him being generally fun."
*reads*
"Well crap, I completely forgot how much I hate playing with Phantom. Yeesh, shut up already."

Fear not, for you shall receive your wish soon enough! Tonight is not a late one for me. Places to be soon after the sun rises.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Okay, so, here's what we know thus far....

Shasta- Seer!
Nogrod- Hunter!
Aganzir- Ordo
Glirdan- Cobbler!
Green- Ordo
Nerwen- Beren!
Lottie- Wolf!
Wilwa- Ordo
Legate- Wolf!
Lommy- Glorfindel!
Blind- Ordo
Sally- Ordo
Boro- Cobbler!
Mith- Ordo
Ang- Ordo
Fea- Ordo
Phantom- Ordo

I've never played with these three, so I'm having difficulty reading them, but we know that one is a Wolf, one is a Cobbler, and the remaining is Luthien.
elronds_daughter
Mänwe
Nessa

Shall we treat this as your pre-season picks? So you can change your mind about these picks at any time you wish and be able claim you were right. Or if you change your mind and happen to be wrong, you can always go back to your pre-season picks and claim "SEE! I told you! I had them right from the very beginning!"

Edit: crossed with Nog

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

First of all, this is going to be a bloody mess as the roles will not be revealed in death. We will actually have only two kinds of partial information for certain.

1) those killed at Night were "non-wolves" (and if the wolves decide to kill only the quiet, under-radar players at Nights, we gain little or no actual info from that).
2) those who come back from death are either a lover or the ranger aka. a goodie (and we'll lose those pretty soon anyway).

3) a player who in dying takes down another is, or rather was the Hunter– for what that's worth. Should be helpful to the Dead, anyway.
4) If anyone who looks at all cobblerish gets killed on Night One, we should definitely lynch Boro.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And the only way to get something resembling reliable info is that which the seer can give to a lover or the ranger in Mandos - but that in turn means that the seer must die before lovers or ranger

What about this?

Originally Posted by Teh Roolz

Every Night (beginning when there are at least 3 dead), the dead people vote for one among themselves . At the end of the vote it will be revealed whether the person counts for the wolves or the innocent. (In other words, they will be told whether a fellow dead person is a wolf or not.)

[Nogrod]

Oops... I have totally missed that last one. Has it been added at some point or have I just managed to ignore it? Although the ruling only tells the identity of a wolf among the dead - so it looks like cobblers will be told to be "innocents" and can thus still mess the information there.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

4) If anyone who looks at all cobblerish gets killed on Night One, we should definitely lynch Boro.

Hey, I've gotten a lot better at that, as I managed not to kill Pitch last game. Granted, he found a way to inform us that he was the cobbler, but still, I think I got better!

Nog's pinging on my suspicious radar. This is a real early, instant "twitter" impression, but definitely not a good impression. I'm not sure what to make of the "oops, have I missed that in the rules?" but his first post, while cutting straight to the point, looks too much like an attempt to start steering and spinning what Nog wants to spin.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I don't see it as wolf no. 1 shoring up wolf no. 2; but it does look a bit like finding a nice convenient protective elder brother...

Hahaha. That's cute. (Yes, I'm of the House of Finnwë.)

Legate talks about things in more length than seems necessary. Then again, he's always like that.

Originally Posted by Boro

So, first it's like, ok...what's the reason for the pessimism here? It's not all that different. When we make our lynch vote today, unless you've entered with known info, you're not going to know the person's role at the time you're voting. We just won't find out at the day's end, gotta wait a little longer is all.

I don't think he was being that bleak. I haven't played in a game like this before and my first thought was it's going to be a bloody mess. It makes more sense now that you explained why Nog's post rubbed you off, though (earlier it looked much more like an easy accusation).

Originally Posted by Ang

Might we want to engineer a double-lynching so that the Dead can start helping us with their deliberations earlier?

It won't be any help. They vote on the role reveals at night, anyway. If we lynch just one person today, they can start on night 3. If we do a double lynch, they still start on night 3, only there's one unknown more. We'd have to do a triple lynch today and it isn't worth it. Besides we won't get any information before one of the specials die, anyway. I think this plan smells of cobblery.

And because dead and living wolves can't communicate, I see no reason they should want one of them in Mandos. As if the dead were going to trust one another anyway.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It won't be any help. They vote on the role reveals at night, anyway. If we lynch just one person today, they can start on night 3. If we do a double lynch, they still start on night 3, only there's one unknown more. We'd have to do a triple lynch today and it isn't worth it. Besides we won't get any information before one of the specials die, anyway. I think this plan smells of cobblery.

And because dead and living wolves can't communicate, I see no reason they should want one of them in Mandos. As if the dead were going to trust one another anyway.

Well, I'm glad you scrutinised my first suggestion better than I had done (it is indeed pretty useless), but I'm afraid it was made in good faith. I've never been a cobbler (at least, not officially), and don't really know how I'd handle the role (I feel it would irritate my pride)...I'd much rather be suspected of being a proper carnivore, much more exciting

I do feel you dismiss my second point too quickly though. A union of dead Elves who trusted each other with good reason could do the wolves real damage (as Gifteds who recognise each other have managed to do in the past). Cobblers are all very well, but they don't really know who they're helping; a wolf, especially if they were sacrificed in such a way that they looked very convincing, could do much more informed damage.

Then again, my kinsmen have probably been the most prone to wolf-hanging of all wolves, so perhaps I'm judging a less pathologically devious pack by my own standard...

I feel remarkably uncommitted in terms of real suspicion, and indeed sense that this feeling is general. I see I'm not alone in quite wanting to lynch Legate to make things a bit less hardline, but kicking him upstairs into Mandos won't do much good in that direction anyway.

I'm quite keen on finding out about the inside of Mandos, in fact; I'm struggling with the urge to volunteer myself for the 'great adventure'...never before have I felt so Elven. Voting for myself would be precisely the opposite of rationality (which I find appealing), while avoiding the exact Nilpaurion cliche because of our unique plight. But I will, at the moment, resist. I wouldn't want any of you to think I was a cobbler, or even a coward.

[Aganzir]

Shasta, Lottie, phantom, Glirdan, Nerwen, Ang, Mith
These people filled page 1 with banter (I'm the most okay with Mith because she was posting at stupid-o'clock and Ang because he only posted once). Statistically, there are two baddies in this group. I usually loathe statistics, but I don't like the fact that it took 36 posts to get to anything serious.

GUILTY
Anguirel. Double lynch plan which looked reasonable at first glance but doesn't help us at all. His tone is more innocent than his words, though.
phantom. About the only reason I'm happy about not being a wolf (ie. I don't have to think of what to do with him).
Lottie. Doesn't sit quite right with me. Plus she bantered for four hours.
Boro. I don't really like his casting suspicion on the first person to post some substance. He explained it better later, but it still seems too easy.
Shasta. "Should know better than to banter with the Mistress of Youtube" but does it anyway.

INNOCENT
Nerwen. Amuses me. I'm okay with her for now.
Lommy. I like her plan of lynching phantom. I also like her. I'm not sure I've ever played against Wommy yet, but she always seems to give me innocent vibes (except the times we argue ).
sally. Guess what? I think she looks good. (I'm about as surprised about this as about trusting Mac in last game.) And I like her PopSicles point.
Mith. Nothing alarming so far, but I know how good a wolf she is. Apart from that, she's entertaining.

EITHER
Legate. Too verbose to my liking but could go either way. I have him down as a cobbler till he says his points with fewer words.
Nogrod. Raised good points which tells us nothing whatsoever about his role. He actually kind of creeps me out... but I don't know.
Glirdan. Very little to go on, but I like him the most in the chatty group.
Mänwe

WHERE?
Fea
BG
Nessa
wilwa
ed
Green (answer: in my kitchen, just made caramelized bananas. This keeps her from receiving my vote today.)