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However, where does it say that only Gandalf had made the full journey through Moria? Aragorn says of his encounter there: Quote:
As for the original question of why Aragorn entered Moria, ask yourself, 'Why did Gandalf"? Lacking an exploratory motive, both would have merely been looking for a shortcut through the Mountains at some point, for whatever reason of needing haste.
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When the Company was debating whether to go through Moria, Gandalf says this: Quote:
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The Orcs in Moria had been sent there from Dol Guldur. Aragorn was an expert on Orcs, hunted them, and may have entered the Mines as part of a scouting expedition to learn about their movements, either on his own or in cooperation with Lórien. After all, Lórien was an obvious target for an attack from either Dol Guldur or Moria or both simultaneously. Since we don’t know anything else about when Aragorn entered Moria before III 3019 or his reasons for going there, I would venture that this is the single most likely reason.
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According to the Tale of Years, Aragorn was in Lórien in 2980. Then he met Arwen there, and their engagement began (they “plighted their troth”). Balin did not enter Moria for another 9 years. If Aragorn entered Moria around 2980 to scout the situation there, and Balin entered sometime afterwards, Gandalf would have had the better information. Nor does it seem likely that Aragorn entered Lórien again before he came there with the Company of the Ring. Celeborn hints that this was the situation. Haldir indicated that the Elves were aware that there were again Orcs in Moria, or at least encroaching from the direction. Maybe the Elves did not know they were coming from Moria, but only from the Misty Mountains. (It seems obvious to me, but then, I’m not a couple of thousand years old: maybe I’m being “too hasty,” as Treebeard would put it.) A better question might be why Elrond was unaware of the presence of Orcs, since he had been recently in communication with Galadriel and Celeborn through Elladan and Elrohir, who traveled to Lórien and returned following the Council of Elrond. Perhaps we should consider that the presence of Orcs in Moria was taken as a given – if Balin and his colony from Erebor were not there to keep them at bay in some section or another of the Mines, a possibility Gandalf suggested. His only mention of Orcs in connection with Moria was that ([FotR], “Journey in the Dark”) Quote:
But maybe Aragorn wasn’t looking for Orcs in Moria at all: maybe he was just “an adventurer”, though that would strike me as very “un-Aragorn”. Mere darkness would not have daunted Aragorn. If he didn’t meet Orcs in Moria, do you suppose he got an early glimpse of Durin’s Bane? I vote for Orcs. |
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