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Old 12-08-2010, 04:14 PM   #1
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Hear, hear.
Any revelation is probably going to be followed by a counter-reveal - or the wolves could even trigger that themselves. Whatever gifted-role we talk about.

And it would be a mess.

So after all the thinking this evening I'd say no reveals!

Our best bet is to get the heir and end this nonsense.


What kind of player the heir could be? I think s/he'd wish not to get lynched or killed by Night. It is such a great role to play that the one having it would love to see the Day when it takes effect. So the heir would probably be very careful not to make anyone think s/he should be lynched or Night-killed but also visible enough not to be taken as a possible submarine wolf/seer by either side & involved enough not be the "no trace left behind Night-kill"...

A few names spring into my mind immediately: Lommy, Legate, Greenie, maybe Inzil...

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Our best bet is to get the heir and end this nonsense.
Nog, do you realise one thing, that the Heir does not know their role???
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:22 PM   #3
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Nog, do you realise one thing, that the Heir does not know their role???
Oops... No, I didn't think about it. Is it so?

Well that makes the things once again "a bit more complicated".

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Wait, Nerwen or Sally could have been gifteds, only because of the heir, their roles weren't revealed. Is that possible?

This throws a whole new perspective on things
I think these are quite plain talking...
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Nerwen was lynched. She was an ordo.
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Lottie, you mentioned that Lommy is saying what you were thinking; now you're saying what I'm thinking.

I expect that your focus is correct.

Oh, I forgot about your youtube video for today - going to watch now.
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Old 12-08-2010, 04:27 PM   #5
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Oh, I forgot about your youtube video for today - going to watch now.
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Lottie, you mentioned that Lommy is saying what you were thinking; now you're saying what I'm thinking.

I expect that your focus is correct.
Why thank you...also,

++Lottie

I hope all of you can figure out what that means.

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Why thank you...also,

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I hope all of you can figure out what that means.





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Ok...
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++Lottie

I hope all of you can figure out what that means.
Still at work and only peripherally following things at the moment, but I think I do see where this is going.

++Lottie

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PS: I was totally planning on doing that yesterDay instead of voting for Nerwen or Nessa. Then I couldn't, but still.

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PS: I was totally planning on doing that yesterDay instead of voting for Nerwen or Nessa. Then I couldn't, but still.
Well, I'm inclined to trust you. If you're a wolf, we'll soon know, if everyone else follows through with this.

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PS: I was totally planning on doing that yesterDay instead of voting for Nerwen or Nessa. Then I couldn't, but still.

EDIT: xed with Legate and Zil
It just showed up, by the way. You made a good choice!

Legate's list is interesting me now, amidst all the Loslote-excitement. Something seems a bit off there; will try to put my finger on it.
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++Lottie

I hope all of you can figure out what that means.
It depends on what your working hypotheses about the best course of action for toDay is and thus are you

a) an ordo willing to throw the ball back to the wolves
b) a gifted willing to get lynched as to secure us the heir
c) a wolf willing to give the impression of either a or b to secure the heir to the dark side

The fact that you do it that way more or less cancels the options a and b to me.

And if the heir is already dead as seems to be possible we probably should lynch you Lottie. And heh, I would have been right yesterDay!


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Shasta. I need to go to sleep in a short time. So if you are online, please answer this.

If the heir would die before she got a chance to acquire a new role would she have been reported to have died as an ordo or as the heir?

That would be quite important information indeed.

If there is a chance the heir is dead we might just go back to wolf-hunting and cut the crap. If there isn't a chance for that we're totally stuck.
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It depends on what your working hypotheses about the best course of action for toDay is and thus are you

a) an ordo willing to throw the ball back to the wolves
b) a gifted willing to get lynched as to secure us the heir
c) a wolf willing to give the impression of either a or b to secure the heir to the dark side

The fact that you do it that way more or less cancels the options a and b to me.
Hmm, care to explain why?
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My reasoning was that if a gifted is killed, the heir takes over. I thought we don't get a reveal on whoever the heir takes over for, but it would only make sense to call them an ordo. It wouldn't work for Shasta to say "no-role"
I hope not - I have imagine it the way that that's how he does it, simply writing "no-role", indeed, or something like that. I mean, you will know that the Heir is "activated", but you don't know what exactly happened...
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I hope all of you can figure out what that means.
Brilliant, well, as good lead as any, at least something is happening. I just hope it's not the case of what Nessa said (quote above) - lynching our Gifted when we in fact don't want to would be really incredible stupidity.

In any case, as it was said, when lynching the Hunter, we will know for sure if you are not bluffing, and also if nothing else, we move on, so... well, fine. If so, for that matter, should we "vote" whom we'd like to see Hunted, or something like that? If even just for the record...

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If so, for that matter, should we "vote" whom we'd like to see Hunted, or something like that? If even just for the record...
If you like. I can't promise that I'll listen, but I'll think about maybe paying attention to what you guys think.

EDIT: xed with Eomer and I'll probably disappear for another couple of hours.
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.If so, for that matter, should we "vote" whom we'd like to see Hunted, or something like that? If even just for the record...

EDIT: x-ed more or less since my last
This sounds great. That way, we use the hunter idea to get the heir out of the way, but also get a semi-normal "vote" in which we can actually go for a wolf.
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Lottie, you should bring yourself up to date before you beat a dead horse.

Okay, I see what you suggested now Nessa.
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So would Shasta tell us if the heir died before any non-ordo died or would the heir just show as an ordo if she was not turned into anything?

His constant remarks on how funny it is to follow this game could suggest the heir is already dead...
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Lottie, you should bring yourself up to date before you beat a dead horse.

Okay, I see what you suggested now Nessa.
So would Shasta tell us if the heir died before any non-ordo died or would the heir just show as an ordo if she was not turned into anything?

His constant remarks on how funny it is to follow this game could suggest the heir is already dead...
My guess is that the heir will, if need be, miraculously turn out to be the last surviving Ordo.
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Oops... No, I didn't think about it. Is it so?

Well that makes the things once again "a bit more complicated".

I think these are quite plain talking...
My reasoning was that if a gifted is killed, the heir takes over. I thought we don't get a reveal on whoever the heir takes over for, but it would only make sense to call them an ordo. It wouldn't work for Shasta to say "no-role"
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Okay, for now a general list of my impression about people after toDay's posting...

Wilwa - not really so much to go with, but when she is around, at least speaks, does not set off any alarms
Lottie - seems quite thoughtful, also does not really set off any alarms
Boro - okay, his vote today was rather weird, but I am not really going to judge him based on that... I think it'd be nice to see more from him, and possibly our village'd have needed his sort of decisive spirit in matters such as "lynch-or-not-to-lynch-whomever"...
Elronhubbard - became a bit more active at some point, not bad, I think there was something a bit curious about some of her posts, but nothing really "big"
Eomer - looks active to me, possibly with somewhat daring behavior, could be either, but does not really make me think him any highly suspicious
Greenie - seems sort of like Alice in the Wonderland, either confused, or acting it very well. It could be many of the under-the-rader-Greenwolves, but there's no real other evidence for that.
Inzil - contributive, but some of his posts especially earlier toDay made me think of him as if he assumed the role of "Mr.Agreeable" here, which might be a smoothy-Wolfdoing
Nogrod - I don't know what to think of him, on one hand, he seems active, but more strongly, he brings some rather dangerous suggestions which would, in my opinion, benefit only the WWs if being advocated - on the other hand, he is sometimes advocating things which are just confused-seeming (lynching the Heir), which would point more to innocence; but overall I am worried about him probably more than less
Lommy - I don't see anything suspicious about her
Nessa - has some interesting points. For some reason though, I think when reading her posts, I keep mixing her up with LRH (sorry both), I think one "homework" for me is to go through the posts of them both carefully to make a really proper opinion...

That all said, this does not bring me any closer to whom to vote, because... (see the above fifty posts of discussion whether we want to lynch a Hunter or whomever. Neverhteless, the list has its merit anyway...)

EDIT: x-ed with many, hey so what, is something actually happening?
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Any revelation is probably going to be followed by a counter-reveal - or the wolves could even trigger that themselves. Whatever gifted-role we talk about.

And it would be a mess.

So after all the thinking this evening I'd say no reveals!

Our best bet is to get the heir and end this nonsense.


What kind of player the heir could be? I think s/he'd wish not to get lynched or killed by Night. It is such a great role to play that the one having it would love to see the Day when it takes effect. So the heir would probably be very careful not to make anyone think s/he should be lynched or Night-killed but also visible enough not to be taken as a possible submarine wolf/seer by either side & involved enough not be the "no trace left behind Night-kill"...

A few names spring into my mind immediately: Lommy, Legate, Greenie, maybe Inzil...

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Wait, I thought the heir doesn't know who they are, and are just told that they're an ordo.
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Our best bet is to get the heir and end this nonsense.


What kind of player the heir could be? I think s/he'd wish not to get lynched or killed by Night. It is such a great role to play that the one having it would love to see the Day when it takes effect. So the heir would probably be very careful not to make anyone think s/he should be lynched or Night-killed but also visible enough not to be taken as a possible submarine wolf/seer by either side & involved enough not be the "no trace left behind Night-kill"...

A few names spring into my mind immediately: Lommy, Legate, Greenie, maybe Inzil...
Except for this from The Rules:

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The Heir doesn't know they have that role, so how do we possibly find them?

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