Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 09-15-2010, 05:29 PM

Shasta- you don't have to have 100% proof of that statement to understand that the point is a nice support for my overall argument. The fact is, what they decided to do had just as much chance of yielding positive results as whatever they would've attempted later in the day, and from my unique perspective I can see quite clearly that they at the least elected an orc. What else do you want me to say?

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-15-2010, 05:38 PM

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The fact is, what they decided to do had just as much chance of yielding positive results as whatever they would've attempted later in the day

This is flawed. Sure, if you want to go by pure statistics, then yes, you can say this. However, this game is not played on statistics alone. If it was, we'd all be accountants, and I wouldn't be playing because I hate math. The fact is, Sally and Lottie both voted before any information could be gathered, based on nothing from inside this particular game. You may say that this fact is irrelevant all you like, the fact is that it's not irrelevant at all. Yes, it's possible that you're innocent and that from your point of view, Sally and Lottie (and Mira) have voted for an orc. However, no one else (not even they) can be for sure that you're an orc, unless they're an elf. And before you reiterate your previous argument, let me state that both Sally and Lottie voted for you before you even showed up, which means they had no in-game basis for voting you, and Mira admittedly read nothing of the thread before voting you so she's basically in the same boat. The fact that they voted you does not mean that they're innocent - in fact I think it points at just the opposite - and I fail to see why you consistently defend them for such an anti-town play.

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-15-2010, 05:40 PM

++Izzy

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-15-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by myself

and I fail to see why you consistently defend them for such an anti-town play.

Addendum - unless it's of course that they voted for you, and your "knight in shining armor" syndrome is kicking in.

the phantom · 09-15-2010, 05:58 PM

Ah, well, you seem to have given part of my answer for me, Shasta. Since I did in fact promise protection to them, I do feel honor bound to give it this day. But the biggest reason for my defense is simply the number of people who thought it very telling. I mean, it's the sort of thing that logically is easy to wave off given the reasoning I have provided, and yet people have remained firm even after I've pointed out these things I never imagined I'd have to bother with.

Really, in a typical village I'd expect there to be far more people than me saying, "Bah, it's Day 1. It's a blind shot anyway, so why not go unconventional just this once?" Given past games and behaviors I would have expected a village to have a mix of reactions from "That's annoying!" to "What the heck?" to "Oh well, just being silly". I've been doing this long enough that I can see reactions come ahead of time quite often, and I can tell you the reactions to Sally and Lottie have surprised me, and makes me suspect something or other is off.

the phantom · 09-15-2010, 06:01 PM

Got to run off now. I'd better go ahead and vote.

++Celuien for rep

Because she acts like an orc, and I'd like to see her active in the second part of the day.

wilwarin538 · 09-15-2010, 06:21 PM

Votes

Sally -> Phantom
Lottie -> Phantom (2)
Rune -> Lommy
Greenie -> Nerwen
Nogrod -> Izzy
Mira -> Phantom (3)
Boro -> Wilwa
Lommy -> Greenie
Eonwe -> Greenie (2)
Inzil -> Boro
Shasta -> Izzy (2)
Legate -> Nerwen (2)
Celuien -> Foley
Phantom -> Celuien

So our reps so far: Phantom3, Greenie2, Izzy2 and Nerwen2.

I definetely won't be voting for anyone who doesn't already have a vote (I don't want to have too many people with just one vote, and then end up with a lack of representatives). I'm currently leaning towards Boro or Lommy, but I'll wait a tad longer.

And though Phantom's vote is a tad odd, I don't totally object, I like the idea of having some quieter reps.

Nerwen · 09-15-2010, 06:25 PM

Hola! I'd apologise for not being around, but that would be so un-orclike.

Well, then–

++Lommy for rep

–thoughts to follow.

wilwarin538 · 09-15-2010, 06:26 PM

Actually, I'm just going to vote now

++Lommy for Representative

Because I agreed with her today, and she's a very logical person, so I trust her to make a good choice.

x'ed with Nerwen, ok than, I just accidently went against my own plan

oh well, now Puddingtom isn't the only one with 3 votes

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-15-2010, 05:44 PM

Okay, I really cannot think anymore, and since nobody seems to help me with the particular concern I have now, I will go to sleep now. And since Izzy already got the vote too, then it is clearly of my other options,

++Nerwen for rep

Good night.

09-15-2010, 05:29 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Shasta- you don't have to have 100% proof of that statement to understand that the point is a nice support for my overall argument. The fact is, what they decided to do had just as much chance of yielding positive results as whatever they would've attempted later in the day, and from my unique perspective I can see quite clearly that they at the least elected an orc. What else do you want me to say? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-15-2010, 05:40 PM	#3
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	++Izzy __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

09-15-2010, 05:58 PM	#5
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Ah, well, you seem to have given part of my answer for me, Shasta. Since I did in fact promise protection to them, I do feel honor bound to give it this day. But the biggest reason for my defense is simply the number of people who thought it very telling. I mean, it's the sort of thing that logically is easy to wave off given the reasoning I have provided, and yet people have remained firm even after I've pointed out these things I never imagined I'd have to bother with. Really, in a typical village I'd expect there to be far more people than me saying, "Bah, it's Day 1. It's a blind shot anyway, so why not go unconventional just this once?" Given past games and behaviors I would have expected a village to have a mix of reactions from "That's annoying!" to "What the heck?" to "Oh well, just being silly". I've been doing this long enough that I can see reactions come ahead of time quite often, and I can tell you the reactions to Sally and Lottie have surprised me, and makes me suspect something or other is off. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-15-2010, 06:01 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Got to run off now. I'd better go ahead and vote. ++Celuien for rep Because she acts like an orc, and I'd like to see her active in the second part of the day. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-15-2010, 06:21 PM	#7
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Votes Sally -> Phantom Lottie -> Phantom (2) Rune -> Lommy Greenie -> Nerwen Nogrod -> Izzy Mira -> Phantom (3) Boro -> Wilwa Lommy -> Greenie Eonwe -> Greenie (2) Inzil -> Boro Shasta -> Izzy (2) Legate -> Nerwen (2) Celuien -> Foley Phantom -> Celuien So our reps so far: Phantom3, Greenie2, Izzy2 and Nerwen2. I definetely won't be voting for anyone who doesn't already have a vote (I don't want to have too many people with just one vote, and then end up with a lack of representatives). I'm currently leaning towards Boro or Lommy, but I'll wait a tad longer. And though Phantom's vote is a tad odd, I don't totally object, I like the idea of having some quieter reps. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-15-2010, 06:25 PM	#8
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Hola! I'd apologise for not being around, but that would be so un-orclike. Well, then– ++Lommy for rep –thoughts to follow. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

09-15-2010, 06:26 PM	#9
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Actually, I'm just going to vote now ++Lommy for Representative Because I agreed with her today, and she's a very logical person, so I trust her to make a good choice. x'ed with Nerwen, ok than, I just accidently went against my own plan oh well, now Puddingtom isn't the only one with 3 votes __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-15-2010, 05:44 PM	#10
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Okay, I really cannot think anymore, and since nobody seems to help me with the particular concern I have now, I will go to sleep now. And since Izzy already got the vote too, then it is clearly of my other options, ++Nerwen for rep Good night. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

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