Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Then look for it. I don't trust him.

Based on what, banter? He hasn't actually said anything provocative yet. While this is in itself almost odd, it's hardly something to mistrust him for. *shrugs* Then again, you have the advantage of sleep over me, don't you?

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted - and Shasta, you're looking at Sally and I for easy Day 1 votes?

[the phantom]

I realize the thread is "UNDER" the Misty Mts, but every time I read it I get that tune stuck in my head from the old Hobbit cartoon. You know, the dwarf song-

"Far o'er the Misty Mountains cold...."

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Based on what, banter? He hasn't actually said anything provocative yet. While this is in itself almost odd, it's hardly something to mistrust him for. *shrugs* Then again, you have the advantage of sleep over me, don't you?

EDIT: xed since the post I quoted - and Shasta, you're looking at Sally and I for easy Day 1 votes?

Yes, I am. Differences -

1. I said probably. You already voted, making it impossible to analyze your vote tomorrow should you live.

2. Of the posters right now, Nerwen is the most likely (besides myself) to not go along with any games Phantom might be playing, which is not an attitude I'd trust you or Sally to take (sorry, but it's true).

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yes, I am. Differences -

1. I said probably. You already voted, making it impossible to analyze your vote tomorrow should you live.

2. Of the posters right now, Nerwen is the most likely (besides myself) to not go along with any games Phantom might be playing, which is not an attitude I'd trust you or Sally to take (sorry, but it's true).

1. No matter when I voted, there wouldn't have been any difference in how much there was to analyze.

2. True - there's really no point to it, in my mind. Either he's working for the Orcish Folk or he's not, same as everyone else. He happens to be louder and less likely to be manipulated by the SoE. See, my thinking is it's about 25% chance he's evil normally, but for most people, I'd have to add between 5 to 10% chance of accidentally working for the SoE. TP does his own thing, not very influenced by manipulations - other than his promise not to vote for those he is representing, which doesn't bother me - as I am not a SoE, which lessens the chance of him voting for a true Orc. Since I don't have a chance to really look at people toDay, this is the least risky move I could make, in my mind.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen

[the phantom]

I never should've gone to YouTube to get that link, as there is so much LotR stuff I haven't watched in forever. I ought to be asleep now. *sigh*

Have you heard the news?

Classic voice-over

Sped up version

Just for Sally

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

From the Elvish point of view! From our point of view, the Elves are evil!

Seriously, stop taking this line on things people. I am going to be bad this game, darn it, and if you people keep putting forth this ridiculous notion that we are the good guys, I will have no choice but to become a Cobbler!

And no, I'm not the undetermined allegiance person. No bluffing here, just telling the truth. My allegiance is clear (evil), but if my entire team decides that they are in fact the good guys, then logically they have placed me on the other side. That's just the way it is.

Last week I snuck down to the Anduin and knifed a young boy and hid the knife beneath his sleeping brother's bed where I hope it will be found by someone and used as evidence of the brother's guilt. The week before that I mauled an old woman and left some great eagle feathers upon her. *snicker* And remember that little village I used to terrorize against the forest a bit farther north? The chief- I'd kill one of his friends or family each year on his birthday, ha ha! In the end he couldn't stand it and took his own life! *cackles with glee*

Don't tell me we're not as bad as they come! I know better!

[the phantom]

All right- seriously sleepy here. Before I go, just to make sure everyone knows what they need to know, a summary... Be sure to point newcomers back to this post, as it is doubtless the most important thing that will be posted until I'm back posting again tomorrow.

1) Vote Phantom for rep!
2) Phantom-Rep will not lynch his supporters.
3) We are Orcs. We should be evil and enjoy it!
4) If too many Orcs act like they're not evil, I'll turn against them.
5) No, that doesn't mean I'm that special role orc.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If tp was the Undecided Orc, he'd never have decided already. Surely you remember the game where he was Zeus, and killed his own Seer to even out the game? If he were the Undecided Orc, he would not decided instantly to align himself with the SoE, he'd choose whichever side was doing worst at the time when he had to choose.

Nah, that's just what he did that game.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Last week I snuck down to the Anduin and knifed a young boy and hid the knife beneath his sleeping brother's bed where I hope it will be found by someone and used as evidence of the brother's guilt. The week before that I mauled an old woman and left some great eagle feathers upon her. *snicker* And remember that little village I used to terrorize against the forest a bit farther north? The chief- I'd kill one of his friends or family each year on his birthday, ha ha! In the end he couldn't stand it and took his own life! *cackles with glee*

So? Serves 'em right! We all agree on that, don't we, lads?

Originally Posted by the phantom

All right- seriously sleepy here. Before I go, just to make sure everyone knows what they need to know, a summary... Be sure to point newcomers back to this post, as it is doubtless the most important thing that will be posted until I'm back posting again tomorrow.

1) Vote Phantom for rep!
2) Phantom-Rep will not lynch his supporters.

Phantom-Rep should lynch his supporters if he comes to think they're those murdering Sons of Elrond! You mean you wouldn't?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Nah, that's just what he did that game.

And he said then, he likes fair and even games, and will try to balance the teams.

On that note, I have to be awake in six hours, so I'd better slip into that state from which I can awaken. Good Day, all.

[Isabellkya]

I think it more prudent than previously, for all to make their thoughts known on players. That way the Rep's have things to read. Of course this is on the hope that they don't simply decide amongst themselves, but take into account what the Non-Rep's think.

I hadn't thought about that. In what Boro discusses in #65. We don't want a Rep who will cower and give-in to the other Rep(s). Representative dynamic is something to think about as well.

The "you give me your vote, I won't lynch-vote you" could always be a tactic to hide Elves voting for Elves for Representative. Since I think this style of voting has a slightly higher information rate. Are Elves going to be bold and attempt to elect their mates into power - which I think is a larger connection than the more traditional distance voting. how else would you setup up a scenario in which you could explain away voting for your mate, when/if the time comes that you are called out for it?

You know better than this, Boro. To vote for me at that stage was frankly quite impressive in some ways. On one hand, it displays a "Might as well" attitude, which shows nerve as well as an understanding of where we are on this first day. And also, it fed in nicely to the underlying motive which was simply to create discussion and get the ball rolling.

Sally voted for you in her first post of the game, second over all. Loslote's was the 17th of the Day. Neither had even given the Day a chance to get rolling before tossing their vote away. Loslote even later asks Nerwen how she could distrust you, given the only banter posts. How could one trust only on banter posts?

Okay. About post #85 is when I started skimming because I noticed 38 minutes left.

I support adding Mira to the/a lynch pool.

No more people should vote for phantom.. three votes. Good grief.


X'd with Nerwen and Wilwa

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I think it more prudent than previously, for all to make their thoughts known on players. That way the Rep's have things to read. Of course this is on the hope that they don't simply decide amongst themselves, but take into account what the Non-Rep's think.

Actually everyone will still be allowed to post, but only Reps can vote. So I think that's probably why people are holding off a bit on suspicions and just focusing on who they trust right now.

[Isabellkya]

Wilwa. Yeah, I realized it after I had already written it, and was just too busy trying to read to delete it. However part of it still stands. Because those who are non-Reps can easily slide into being inactive. They may think it not as important to participate fully, since they don't actually have a vote, and nothing says they should be listened to.

I think if the count is right, those of us left with votes can add those four with singles.
Wilwa, Boro, Foley and Celuien?


X'd with Sally.

[Folwren]

Ah hm. I barely remembered deadline. I can only stay to vote.

I see that lots of people have been nominated...I know little about most of the people who have only one vote. But I do know some about Inzil, so I'll go ahead and vote for him.

Oh, wait. He already has two votes...

Okay, only having a little time to glance over stuff, I'm going to go ahead and vote for Celuein. No, not 'cause she voted for me first, but because I like her.

++Celuien

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Ah hm. I barely remembered deadline. I can only stay to vote.

I see that lots of people have been nominated...I know little about most of the people who have only one vote. But I do know some about Inzil, so I'll go ahead and vote for him.

Zil? No he doesn't. Did I miss something?

EDIT: xed with Nerworc

[Folwren]

k, I just briefly glanced over the forty plus posts I missed in my absense. I'd like to suggest that we kill Phantom this evening. Using his own logic, the first death is a stab in the dark anyway, so it may as well be him, right? Plus, he's beginning to really get on my nerves. He reminds me of my older brother a few years ago, before my older brother became a husband and a father...a stuck up know-it-all before he'd really met the world and been taken down a few notches.

But...putting all that personal feeling aside, let me say this. When I played with Phantom not long ago, I did not get a feeling of guiltiness from him. I felt him trustworthy and stable. Come to find out, he was. In this game? No. I feel no trustworthiness in him at all. I think he is riding on the wave of a huge bluff.

It is simply not logical that he could not see or concede how Sally's and Lottie's votes were indeed not logical or worth while. He could at LEAST concede that it would have made some more sense that they'd waited, but no, he argues that their votes were perfectly understandable, justifiable, and even comendable. Why? It doesn't make sense. He claims he wants to help the village, but is he doing so, or is he just making a lot of people mad at him and muddying the waters while he's doing it?

X-posted with Sally, Lottie, and Wilwa

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Folwren

It is simply not logical that he could not see or concede how Sally's and Lottie's votes were indeed not logical or worth while. He could at LEAST concede that it would have made some more sense that they'd waited, but no, he argues that their votes were perfectly understandable, justifiable, and even comendable. Why? It doesn't make sense. He claims he wants to help the village, but is he doing so, or is he just making a lot of people mad at him and muddying the waters while he's doing it?

It's not logical that he has his own opinion, eh? If he says that our votes were understandable, maybe it's because he understood them. What you're saying is that we should lynch tp because he has a different opinion. This is simply not logical.

[Nerwen]

Thank you, thank you, Orcs and Orcesses. As your elected representative, I'll do all I can to see that the SoE are brought to justice, and that the form that justice takes will be as amusing for us all as possible!

Originally Posted by Folwren

But...putting all that personal feeling aside, let me say this. When I played with Phantom not long ago, I did not get a feeling of guiltiness from him. I felt him trustworthy and stable. Come to find out, he was. In this game? No. I feel no trustworthiness in him at all. I think he is riding on the wave of a huge bluff.

If that was Glirdan's game, he was a baddie for much of it, though.

Oh, and regarding the term "baddie"– I still refuse to submit to the phantom's dictum that we should speak of the village as "evil" and the wolves (Elves) as "good". Too confusing. I've been in reversed-alignment villages before, and we didn't do that.

Originally Posted by Folwren

It is simply not logical that he could not see or concede how Sally's and Lottie's votes were indeed not logical or worth while. He could at LEAST concede that it would have made some more sense that they'd waited, but no, he argues that their votes were perfectly understandable, justifiable, and even comendable. Why? It doesn't make sense. He claims he wants to help the village, but is he doing so, or is he just making a lot of people mad at him and muddying the waters while he's doing it?

The trouble when dealing with phantom is that he does have a rather notorious ego , to the point where he might well see their votes for him as perfectly logical. His push to become sole representative does bug me quite a lot, because he ought to know that wouldn't be terribly helpful to the village, not to mention his promise not to lynch people who elected him.

EDIT:X'd with Xed; wording and typos.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

"Palpatine, Palpatine," said Phantom, shivering and licking his lips, as if the word had a foul taste that he savoured painfully. "You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Nerwen," he said.

Call my dreams muddy, will you? Enough of that, snaga, or I'll make you squeal, that I will!

Originally Posted by Loslote

Based on what, banter? He hasn't actually said anything provocative yet. While this is in itself almost odd, it's hardly something to mistrust him for. *shrugs* Then again, you have the advantage of sleep over me, don't you?

Said it before, Orcling: it's too easy for the Sons of Elrond to take over, right out in the open. I'd be careful trusting anyone too much– even if I didn't know half of you would stab the other half in the back, soon as look at 'em! No better than Elves, some of you lads and lasses are! And what's with all his Elf-talk? Bluffing? Trying to signal to someone? Yah!

Originally Posted by the phantom

Praising them? All I did was correctly state that they are the good guys, while we orcs are the evil side.

From the Elvish point of view! From our point of view, the Elves are evil!

EDIT:X'd since Lottie.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Trying to signal to someone? Yah!

Who, in this game, is trying to signal to anyone? Even the Undecided Orc is, in fact, undecided. If the SoE signaled to xe, and xe noticed, and chose to remain true to xyr people, the SoE would be in huge trouble.

On second thought, it's an amazing idea for the SoE to signal to the Undecided Orc! You guys have nothing to lose! In fact, just reveal! It'll be so much more efficient!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Who, in this game, is trying to signal to anyone? Even the Undecided Orc is, in fact, undecided. If the SoE signaled to xe, and xe noticed, and chose to remain true to xyr people, the SoE would be in huge trouble.

That's a second option. First is (double–, triple–, quadruple–) bluffing. But the phantomorc could also be the Undecided Orc trying to let those cursed Elves and Elf-friends know he was on their side, couldn't he?

EDIT:X'd with the phantom.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

That's a second option. First is (double–, triple–, quadruple–) bluffing. But the phantomorc could also be the Undecided Orc trying to let those cursed Elves and Elf-friends know he was on their side, couldn't he?

If tp was the Undecided Orc, he'd never have decided already. Surely you remember the game where he was Zeus, and killed his own Seer to even out the game? If he were the Undecided Orc, he would not decided instantly to align himself with the SoE, he'd choose whichever side was doing worst at the time when he had to choose.