Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mark12_30 · 08-30-2010, 05:02 PM

which river in South Gondor was the question.

littlemanpoet · 08-30-2010, 06:01 PM

Either Gilrain or Kelos. I want to say Gilrain but it looks too far west. Still, Gilrain.

I forgot about Tharonwe.

I find myself trying to make this iteration of Roy Edwards aka Raefindan to flow naturally from my own story into this one. Maybe that's silly, but for some reason it seems appropriate. But that's an aside.

Fascinating, how bitter for the Elves (except perhaps Mithrellas - for now) and how fulfilling for all humans but Mellondu. There's just one thing. I'm thinking in Tolkienian themes: although Frodo was at the end of the tale "a wreck", he also was anything but. Of course, that's only true if one accepts the Christian basis for everything Tolkien wrote. That said, Frodo was Elvish in the best sense at the end of the story, in that his spirit burned so brightly that it could be seen by the perceptive; but also he was very human in that he was weary in body and soul and ready to lay down "these earthly trammels" and be laid to rest. I want this to somehow be so for Mellondu also. Somehow. I understand that the Elves gave themselves to each other, man and woman, to a degree not usual or likely in humans. This extreme (for lack of a better word) devotion that Mellondu experiences through Amroth's devotion for Nimrodel, appears to be the heart of his wound. But he's young. Or has his possession by Amroth aged him beyond his years in body as well as soul and spirit? Be that as it may, I think there can and perhaps must be some sort of resolution for him. Nothing flighty or easy, of course, but some sort of settled-ness in the end. At least, that's what I'm suggesting.

I'm interested to see what happens with Mellonin, as well. Her love for Ravion has seemed a little forced to me. When Orual was writing Ravion it didn't seem so much that way, but such are the difficulties of losing our friends on the long journey these RPGs become. Ah well.

So is it your thought to write the journeys of everyone as a denouement?

mark12_30 · 08-31-2010, 03:47 PM

I don't think I have that much writing in me, lmp. not at the moment, anyway.

I was going to ask you, now that some time has gone by, what the story was (several posts back) about Abraham and Isaac. I was hesitant to ask when you posted that... digging about in someone's open wound not being generally appreciated. But the fire is burning on my own altar, now. This is the second death of this particular hope. Lindo's song about Bird fed Phura's dreams, but they were revealed as empty, lifeless, and vain.

I was happy to write, yesterday. Today? Feh. "And they all died, and their bones rotted on the mountainside, and Tharonwe lived happily ever after."

So, the correct answer is, His arm is not short, His hand is not weak. "The Lord gives, the Lord takes away; blessed be the name of the Lord." Yes or no? "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." Will I? In the light of eternity, this is no big deal. Just a little snag.

littlemanpoet · 08-31-2010, 06:48 PM

I think that what must happen at this point is that all of the characters must have their resolutions, and we need to know what each one will be so that we can write what is needed, no more and no less, to reach that goal. I'm more than happy to help discern what each character needs.

mark12_30 · 09-02-2010, 12:12 PM

I guess the next question is how to break the silence. I think it will be Mellondu's parents' dream.

mark12_30 · 09-06-2010, 03:59 PM

And if you want Roy Edwards fully manifested at the Gilraen (you were correct)or at Marigold's house or anywhere else in the tale-- should we end it back at the Seventh Star?) you have my full blessing. The Tapestry of Dreams: all threads fully revealed! Dude, would that be COOL.

littlemanpoet · 09-08-2010, 06:47 PM

Roy Edwards fully manifested? Err.... my story so far is less manifested than this rpg! But thank you for the offer and compliment.

It doesn't matter to me where the characters start. We could go for a start at Marigold with a "they had traveled for __ days ..."

I'm still mystified about Nimrodel. How could she die at the Rauros Falls if she was at the Gilraen with the other characters? It just doesn't make sense to me.

But go ahead with Mellondu's parents' dream when you're ready.

08-30-2010, 05:02 PM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	which river in South Gondor was the question. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

08-31-2010, 03:47 PM	#3
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I don't think I have that much writing in me, lmp. not at the moment, anyway. I was going to ask you, now that some time has gone by, what the story was (several posts back) about Abraham and Isaac. I was hesitant to ask when you posted that... digging about in someone's open wound not being generally appreciated. But the fire is burning on my own altar, now. This is the second death of this particular hope. Lindo's song about Bird fed Phura's dreams, but they were revealed as empty, lifeless, and vain. I was happy to write, yesterday. Today? Feh. "And they all died, and their bones rotted on the mountainside, and Tharonwe lived happily ever after." So, the correct answer is, His arm is not short, His hand is not weak. "The Lord gives, the Lord takes away; blessed be the name of the Lord." Yes or no? "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." Will I? In the light of eternity, this is no big deal. Just a little snag. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 09-01-2010 at 08:12 AM.

09-02-2010, 12:12 PM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	I guess the next question is how to break the silence. I think it will be Mellondu's parents' dream. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-06-2010, 03:59 PM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	And if you want Roy Edwards fully manifested at the Gilraen (you were correct)or at Marigold's house or anywhere else in the tale-- should we end it back at the Seventh Star?) you have my full blessing. The Tapestry of Dreams: all threads fully revealed! Dude, would that be COOL. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

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08-30-2010, 06:01 PM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Either Gilrain or Kelos. I want to say Gilrain but it looks too far west. Still, Gilrain. I forgot about Tharonwe. I find myself trying to make this iteration of Roy Edwards aka Raefindan to flow naturally from my own story into this one. Maybe that's silly, but for some reason it seems appropriate. But that's an aside. Fascinating, how bitter for the Elves (except perhaps Mithrellas - for now) and how fulfilling for all humans but Mellondu. There's just one thing. I'm thinking in Tolkienian themes: although Frodo was at the end of the tale "a wreck", he also was anything but. Of course, that's only true if one accepts the Christian basis for everything Tolkien wrote. That said, Frodo was Elvish in the best sense at the end of the story, in that his spirit burned so brightly that it could be seen by the perceptive; but also he was very human in that he was weary in body and soul and ready to lay down "these earthly trammels" and be laid to rest. I want this to somehow be so for Mellondu also. Somehow. I understand that the Elves gave themselves to each other, man and woman, to a degree not usual or likely in humans. This extreme (for lack of a better word) devotion that Mellondu experiences through Amroth's devotion for Nimrodel, appears to be the heart of his wound. But he's young. Or has his possession by Amroth aged him beyond his years in body as well as soul and spirit? Be that as it may, I think there can and perhaps must be some sort of resolution for him. Nothing flighty or easy, of course, but some sort of settled-ness in the end. At least, that's what I'm suggesting. I'm interested to see what happens with Mellonin, as well. Her love for Ravion has seemed a little forced to me. When Orual was writing Ravion it didn't seem so much that way, but such are the difficulties of losing our friends on the long journey these RPGs become. Ah well. So is it your thought to write the journeys of everyone as a denouement?

08-31-2010, 06:48 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I think that what must happen at this point is that all of the characters must have their resolutions, and we need to know what each one will be so that we can write what is needed, no more and no less, to reach that goal. I'm more than happy to help discern what each character needs.

09-08-2010, 06:47 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Roy Edwards fully manifested? Err.... my story so far is less manifested than this rpg! But thank you for the offer and compliment. It doesn't matter to me where the characters start. We could go for a start at Marigold with a "they had traveled for __ days ..." I'm still mystified about Nimrodel. How could she die at the Rauros Falls if she was at the Gilraen with the other characters? It just doesn't make sense to me. But go ahead with Mellondu's parents' dream when you're ready.