WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

How can you possibly say that when you did in fact paraphrase private words you exchanged, with the words "Glirdan said" right in front!!

So yeah, you are now making things worse by outright lying.

If that was my intent, then I have already succeeded, seeing as, like it or not, you have in fact revealed your role to us. "Hey, I know things guys. I'm REALLY smart. The SMARTEST! And I'm a virgin. No, not Hestia. I'm the only other virgin on the list besides Hestia. Oh, and I was talking to the Mod and he said I could hint at my role but not reveal it. Hee hee."

So yeah, this debate is done. You cannot spin that any other way.

Phantom, you accused me of cheating. Do you expect me to sit around and not defend myself? First of all, your attacks on me were far less than gentlemanly, which I normally expect even from an evil you. Watering me down to newbie talk and accusing me of lying is downright low, and I’m not the most thrilled to see that you look so happy to be “getting me killed”. May I point out, yet again, that I’m on the side of the village? If so, whose side does that make you on?

Also, any specifications to my role could have been put in my original PM, or it could not have. It doesn't matter; Glirdan's word is law. If decides to change his mind when he gets back (since I've been cross with Zeus for a while and decided to have a bit of rule-bending fun of my own to undo the injustice he dealt to the village) that's fine, and I'll take a modfire with dignity, but until he returns I'm totally not going to say anything else about what my role may or may not be. And until then, it's none of your business. You don't know what Glirdan told me, and I don't know what he told you, etc. For all I know you're Pan and you're just riling me up so's that the wolves will leave us to tear each other apart toMorrow. (I'm not saying that you are, but you get the idea.) There is no reason for me to lie about what Glirdan told me at this juncture, so why even ask, or imply that I'm not being truthful? That alone is just hurtful.

And if I'm modfired, I think Zeus should have been killed too, unless there's something about his role I don't know. Zeus works for the village now that Hera’s dead. That doesn't involve killing our legitimate seer just because he fancies it. I'm just sayin'. I may or may not be bending game play, but that’s sabotage, and I don’t care for it in the least.

Can I stop being moody and defensive now? I want to listen to the storm and get ready to kill a wolf. Also, Mira’s waiting in another window. Can I go back there now? That'd be super great.


EDIT: x'd with Nerwen. Great, now I'm just cranky.

[Glirdan]

CHILDREN!!! DO NOT MAKE ME END THIS GAME EARLY NOW!! BEHAVE!!

[satansaloser2005]

IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU GOT BACK!

I've been lonely and everybody's ganged up on me. Sort of.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

However, phantom, consider this point before you vote her

Nah, I'm not going to vote for her. That vote would be wasted, seeing as no one else has voted her.

I don't know who I'll vote for. No one seems to have followed the trail of evidence I left earlier to its logical conclusion, so I suppose I'll just tack my vote onto one of these other people.

[satansaloser2005]

Was about to post this when I saw that Glirdan had shown up, so I figured why not. Here be a postie post about all this drama.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You've selected the wrong virgin. Please collect your two cents from the tray labelled "fail" and try again.

And THERE's the post that Phantom's so cross about. (Incidentally, the joke that I'd planned to tell earlier was similar to this post, except more personal, so I decided to keep it to myself.) On some level of that personal level, it was supposed to be an in-joke for Phantom, meant mostly for his enjoyment (and Duck's should she ever trawl the game) and it fit so well right there that I decided I had to keep it.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Clearly you're at least one, because you missed the only really important hint I ever gave.


Incidentally, since we're sharing, who are you then?

....

That's what I thought.

Meaning here that over half the village can't reveal anything at this point. If you've gleaned who I am, fine, go with it, I don't care.

The other part I shan't explain because it doesn't even matter.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Needless to say, Foley, I....well, I can't, actually.

ETA: How ridiculous can I be here exactly? As long as I don't say "I am *censored*" I'm technically following the rules.

Needless to say, I don't do well when I'm frustrated. Foley asked me a question I couldn't answer, which I completely wanted to, so from then on (and slightly before, rather) the next few posts were just ridiculously obvious.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Sorry for the outburst. I just lost my temper. I have never taken being called stupid very well.

And this is where I realized that Foley legitimately had no idea what was going on, and now thought that I was calling her stupid. I couldn't have that. I felt bad.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Incidentally, all the "everyone else is stupid" talk? Biggest. Hint. Ever. (Besides the Risk and pancakes anyway.)

So I said that, thus letting her know that I wasn't calling her stupid, I was being in-character. Someone else said that before if memory serves me correctly, but I'm too lazy to look up the post at the moment. (The addition of Risk and pancakes being a huge hint was mostly a joke, by the way.)



See what I did there? An irresistable joke and the urge to make someone feel better about themself and I'm suddenly evil and cheap. *meeps* Subtlety works for only so long, and when innocents turn on the village there's very little to stop me from trying to help give the village an edge back. I never intended to straight up reveal anything, but with stress and lack of proper time and goading from a few people I was definitely more obvious than I intended, for which I apologize.

HOWEVER, the only thing this argument has done is make it really hard for anyone not to figure out my role. Fabulous.

[Glirdan]

In other words, you didn't outwardly reveal, thus still obeying the rules, thus having me not needing to Modfire you or anyone (except myself maybe because of my epic failures as of late...don't ask) and the game can go on.

BE ADVISED THAT IF THIS KEEPS UP I MAY MODFIRE OUT OF PURE SPITE! Yes, I'm in that kind of mood. Killer headache and stress do not mingle very well.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

In other words, you didn't outwardly reveal, thus still obeying the rules, thus having me not needing to Modfire you or anyone (except myself maybe because of my epic failures as of late...don't ask) and the game can go on.

BE ADVISED THAT IF THIS KEEPS UP I MAY MODFIRE OUT OF PURE SPITE! Yes, I'm in that kind of mood. Killer headache and stress do not mingle very well.

Take an aspirin and go to bed? We'll play nice, I swear!

[Glirdan]

45 Minutes

[satansaloser2005]

I know, this isn't very in-depth, and I'm sorry, but I'm really drained.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Agreed.

Wait. I just agreed with phantom. There is clearly something topsy turvy about the world today.

I need to go ponder that fact (aka go to work).

That....that really doesn’t happen. Topsy turvy, upside down indeed.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Okay so three pages later, I'm pretty thoroughly confused (but what else is new) soo as per usual I'm just going to start talking.

I really don't see Boro's Zeus comment and Nerwen's Hades one as slips or hints of any kind. It's Day 1 of a Greek god themed game. There is nothing suspicious about working in banter, especially in the first few posts (which I think those were).

And now I shall go make myself a stupidly detailed cheatsheet chart of all the roles because that's what's been confusing me the most. I shall return!

From this I gather that Mira is either not a wolf or that she’s confused by who she’s working with. She doesn’t think the immediate hinting is an issue, and was obviously right about Boro and his “hint” meaning nothing.

Originally Posted by Mira, to Dun

I might be missing something here, but don't Zeus and Hera know who each other are? If that's the case then there's no reason for Borolover to be hinting to his counterpart.

She has a good point here. I’m convincing myself that she remembers this because of the chart she’s just made and not because she’s Zeus (mostly because if she was, I’d kill her). I refer to this point (sort of) later down the post though; I think it’s interesting how much she talks of Zeus, etc. At first I thought she might be Zeus, but later on I think she may have figured out who he is. Either way, she’s read up on the rules quite well.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

I'd have to disagree with you on that one, dear. What Mac said about Boro leaving a Lover hint does make sense (even though it took me fooorever to get). I'm still pretty convinced it was innocent banter, but it does make sense.

I'm also not stoked on this suspicion of Steve, for the same reasons as I wasn't stoked on suspecting Boro and Nerwen for what could very well be innocent Day 1 banter.

People I won't be voting for toDay:
Boro
Nerwen
Steve
(All for reasons previously stated.)
Shasta - I don't vote for people who don't appear. At least not Day 1.

Who I probably will be voting for toDay unless something better comes up within the next hour or so:
Blind Guardian - don't be posting that you want people to provide you with substance and then don't do anything to spark discussion.

EDIT: xed since the wilwa post I quoted. And bollox, that now looks suspiciously like bandwagoning.

Doesn’t mention over half the people in the game, and plans to vote BG (barring any developments) mostly because she’s unhelpful. She’s also the obvious choice, so....yeah.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Before I forget:

++BG

Obvious choice. Not much to say here except for I rather expected it.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Just for the record, I had decided my vote before I saw the rest of the votes. I wasn't going to change what I had been thinking for hours because it might look like I joined a bandwagon. Fairly certain my edit said something to that effect when I mentioned i x'ed with a whole ton of people. Side effect of having an awful attention span and leaving half completed windows open for extended periods of time. Just sayin'.

Explaining her vote and the fact that it x’d, and says that she’s not changing her mind just to make herself look better. This makes her look slightly better to me, so I’m hoping it’s not a double bluff of sorts, saying that she’s unconcerned about her voting record to shrug off those who would accuse her based upon it.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

I somehow completely missed this.

Well as far as not confusing me, he did an awful job. As for the "ere the night ends" bit, if I didn't know any better I'd suspect he thought I had a role that would be able to protect him. Unfortunately he overestimated me.

Side note: I haven't actually read anything beyond phantom's Boro post yet. Once I shower and get some food in me I'll finish catching up before work.

Commenting on Boro’s alleged hint to her (which I still don’t get, I don’t think).

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Hokay so. Work today was brutal. All I want is to sleep and not think. (Yes, that is my excuse for never being around).

The one solid(ish) thing that is sticking in my addled mind is that phantom is making a weird amount of sense. Usually he just confuses me and makes me want him dead. This could be considered a point of concern.

Also, still not all that stoked on Boro indicating that I'm a ranger. If I was, I'd be quite annoyed for being pointed out (and thus probably dead toNight) but the fact that I have no idea where he got that from whatsoever really concerns me. It also leads me to not put too much stake in the theories that Steve is a wolf and phantom is Zeus.

Of course, now with a lack of easy bandwagons to jump on, I'm at a total loss of who to vote for toDay. There's a legitimate chance I won't be voting in order to avoid another weak vote out of sheer annoyance.

Here’s an interesting theory for you. I know wolves can’t share their honeys’ names with each other, but Mira!wolf could have picked up on Phantom’s exchanges with Wilwa (if they exist) and figured out that he was sort of on their side. It would explain the “random” agreement they seemed to share. It would also make sense for her to thus dismiss said theory on the thread.

Like I said, weird. Just had to get it out of my brain.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

I've been thinking about sally's idea of flushing Hestia out. While originally I rejected it, after giving it some serious consideration I think it would be best to wait to do anything to that effect until if/when the village starts to flounder. As of now we're in decent shape, despite not having nabbed any furry ones yet. If things start getting desperate though, I'm all for it. Well, not necessarily all for it. As for it as one can be considering the circumstances.

Also, in a desperate attempt to not fall back asleep and have more weird dreams, I am going to go look at phantom

Doesn’t like my plan (fair enough) but says in the future it may be helpful. I’m rather interested to know what “circumstances” she’s talking about there.

In other news, looking at Phantom? Usually [/i]inspires[/i] bad dreams.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Day One Phantom Analysis (deleted by Sally for space)

Based on just Day 1, however, phantom's looking rather sketchy to me. My problem lies mostly with his vote for Steve and his comment following it (282). I still have an issue with him making more sense than usual and not making me have strong homicidal feelings in his general direction, but it has been a while since he played. I'd rather not vote him toDay without getting to go through his Day 2 posts, but if a better option doesn't present itself, I probably will.

Oh, and next time I decide to analyze someone who posts this much, someone please punch me in the mouth. Day 2 will come either later tonight or tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive.

Her analysis is, except for the obvious places, actually pretty shining. Then Phantom looks “sketchy”, I’m assuming for his vote on Steve. That and his PMing comment actually do look fishy to me (and I’d somehow missed the PM comment before) so I’m not surprised that something like that makes her feel shifty about him. However, she’s still not ready to vote him.

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

xSeeing as how I'm in this pretty content half-sleep watching Batman Forever, I'm just going to vote now so I don't fall asleep, miss deadline, and get modfired.

++phantom

And then she DOES vote him. Must not have been any better candidates?

Originally Posted by Keeper of Dol Guldur

Ridiculous amount of family drama going on. No time to comment, but sort of read.

++Rikae

And the simple vote.



So basically she trusts Phantom, then votes him for lack of a better candidate, with two pieces of evidence that she’s found in the midst of an otherwise positive-ish looking case. She goes for the easy BG lynch on Day One (then again, most of us did, obviously) then for someone she knows won’t actually get lynched on Day Two. Day Three is mostly irrelevant but I’m still finding her record....interesting.


If Phantom’s Zeus, I’m thinking Mira might be a wolf.


So I give Mira a wolfiness rating of about six, more or less. I still think Kath might be a more promising lynch candidate though (and of course trying to lynch Mira toDay would be ridiculousy silly).


I'm going to vote in a bit. Back for that.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

She has a good point here. I’m convincing myself that she remembers this because of the chart she’s just made and not because she’s Zeus (mostly because if she was, I’d kill her). I refer to this point (sort of) later down the post though; I think it’s interesting how much she talks of Zeus, etc. At first I thought she might be Zeus, but later on I think she may have figured out who he is. Either way, she’s read up on the rules quite well.

Um, sally dear? Mentioning Zeus once when it happened to be the topic of conversation at the time doesn't really qualify as talking about it a lot. Thanks for giving me way more credit than I deserve though.

Explaining her vote and the fact that it x’d, and says that she’s not changing her mind just to make herself look better. This makes her look slightly better to me, so I’m hoping it’s not a double bluff of sorts, saying that she’s unconcerned about her voting record to shrug off those who would accuse her based upon it.

Again, giving me more credit than I deserve. It was a legitimate cross post due to not having an adequate amount of time to devote to this game.

Commenting on Boro’s alleged hint to her (which I still don’t get, I don’t think).

Is it the hint you don't get? Boro the false Seer thought I was a ranger and was asking for protection that Night.

Here’s an interesting theory for you. I know wolves can’t share their honeys’ names with each other, but Mira!wolf could have picked up on Phantom’s exchanges with Wilwa (if they exist) and figured out that he was sort of on their side. It would explain the “random” agreement they seemed to share. It would also make sense for her to thus dismiss said theory on the thread.

Like I said, weird. Just had to get it out of my brain.

Mkay, where did this come from? Certainly not from the quote you cited right before it.

And then she DOES vote him. Must not have been any better candidates?

Correct.