WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:29 PM

Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier.

That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that?

That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay?

Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can.

Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses?

Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were *gasp* concrete?

That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate.

P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best.

EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody....

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:31 PM

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

NO!

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

NO!

Why not? Do I not understand something? Why not?

Cross posted with Phantom and Sally again.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights?

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

Edit: x-ed with bunches

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by autume98

Is this a good idea? If the general consensus is yes then I will.

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, no, no, no, no. Not unless you dreamed someone who is dead. Then yes.

What is Rikae's role then? You said wolf, but not goddess. Speak up, be heard! Tell all!

Ares. Plain 'ole wolf. No lover.

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:32 PM

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes.

I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all.

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

x-posted with Tum, Sally, and Sally.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Good heavens, I feel like a moronic newbie. I still don't understand. You mean, she may be false, therefore if she lists names that are really false, innocents could die? Eh...it's true. But it is possible that we will be able to decipher what her dreams told her and determine of they are true or not.

-- Foley

If she's legit and she names innocent names then yes, people could be killed. If she's false I don't care, but we don't know yet, so I'd much rather wait.

If she's even telling the truth, that is.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:40 PM

My bet is she's not bluffing.

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around.

x-posted with Sally.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:41 PM

Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it.

Nogrod · 07-30-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he?

Our only chance is to check her out. I think we're not in that dire straits we couldn't afford it - even if they got a fifth and a sixth wolf...

I mean don't trust tp's optimism if he's one of them.

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:47 PM

Note: If Tum does end up being the Seer, I will pat myself on the back and say, "See, told you I wasn't happy with her as a candidate!" Problem is, at the same time I am not overly happy about testing her powers on Rikae, as I've been operating under the impression that Rikae was, well, something else (not Ares). I mean- you have hinted at your role, haven't you Rikae? Very quiet like? Things that only obessive WW junkies would catch? Or have you been hood-winking me?

Nog- you're totally off yet again. It frankly ticks me off that you're not going to get lynched.

autume98 · 07-30-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

This. You just condemned yourself to die, more or less.

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by autume98

I didn't realize that. Newbie mistake. If you lynch me I guarantee you that I will NOT be a wolf and will be revealed as the Seer. Besides do you really think that I could come up with a plan to reveal as a Seer as a wolf. This would only be my second game. I know I'm smart, but I'm not sure I'm that smart. Besides that'd be bad taste. At least for me.

Well we could still coordinate enough to save you. I need to look at votes.

Again, assuming we want to save you.

See, this is why plans are bloody good things. *whimpers into her pillow*

Rikae · 07-30-2010, 11:44 PM

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

False reveals are bad taste? *headdesk*

Autume, I wanted to like you, really.

Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

Boro could have been random. I'm not saying it was, but they could have been after their cursed or a ranger or just about anything. We don't know the wolves' motives.

Loslote · 07-30-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Folwren[/B], you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

Or he dreamed Mira as Ranger, which may or may not be a false dream - though it seems that way. Thing is, we really have no solid idea which it was.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Folwren[/B], you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

I didn't forget...that all never made any sense to me, so I just didn't understand. The Zues statements were astonishingly sketchy - you all agreed come Day2. The Eonwe statement was not.

Folwren · 07-30-2010, 11:51 PM

We have, what, nine minutes? Dang.

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Sorry dear, but Sally's the only real seer.

No she's not. She's Hestia.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

No she's not. She's Hestia.

I'm far smarter than that (as usual).

the phantom · 07-30-2010, 11:37 PM

You just lost the game, Sally.

satansaloser2005 · 07-30-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

You just lost the game, Sally.

Oh just....you'll pay for that this weekend. Right now I'm busy wolf-hunting.

07-30-2010, 11:29 PM	#1
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Ahhhh....I see we clearly have a communications barrier. That....was....only....one....suggestion. We....could....just....lynch....a....test....subje ct....and....let....the....seers....work....it.... out....for....themselves....without....involving.. ..the....rangers. Why....can't....you....see....that? That rudeness thing? We're doing it. Let's not, okay? Let me make sure I understand. You're unhappy about the ranger aspect of this plan, I get that. Is that your main problem? I know it could be cumbersome to the village but at the same time (especially if Nog's unable to play any further) the test would give us information. We don't have to out the seers. Heck if I care if we do; I just said I didn't want to know anyway. I'd rather keep it simple, but I feel it's important that our gifteds (which our, of course, a gift, and therefore to be used and taken care of) get the information they need to help the village as best they can. Nog's leaving. Why not cut our losses? Heck, I'd be happy with him leaving of self-inflicted causes and finding out that way. I just feel it's a good way to clear up the false seer issue for good, at least for the seers themselves. (And for the record no, I'm not super after Nog just to get him to leave. He mentioned it, and I think he's evil anyway, and I know how much it sucks to not be able to participate in the game when you know you want to help your team.) We don't have to do Nog; I don't care. But what happens if I'm Hestia (I'm not, by the way) and I dream Dun toNight and find out he's a wolf? I campaign to get him lynched, succeed, and find out he's Eros! We've just killed a ranger because I thought my dream was correct and I banked on it. Obviously our seers can't do that right now, but what if they could? What if they (or he or she, whichever if not both is the true seer) could dream with the definite knowledge that their dreams would be correct? What if their dreams were gasp concrete? That's the objection I don't understand. If you don't like the plan, fine. But you can't sit around, say you're innocent, and then go absolutely against a line of planning that leads to the innocents gaining more definite information. Tell me where I'm wrong on that point, just that point. Tell me that I'm wrong for wanting to help the seers know if their dreams are accurate. Tell me why that's evil, or else drop the subject, because that's the only issue up for debate. P.S. Sorry, I know I'm getting cranky, but this isn't an issue of people saying my plan has flaws, this is people saying that I'm evil for trying to help a gifted. My role is designated to help gifteds, one as much as the next. I'm an innocent, and thus I want to help everybody I can. Don't tell me I'm not doing my job. I'm doing my best. EDIT: x'd since the post I was obviously responding to. Oh bloody.... __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-30-2010, 11:31 PM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Autume, tell us who you dreamed of the previous nights? __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-30-2010, 11:32 PM	#8
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Um, Tum. If you were wishing not to die today, I'm not sure if that was the best vote. Understand- I'm not saying you're lying, but... I mean- we can't prove you're the Seer, so we can't for certain believe you. Plus you may be false. And I don't think Rikae was likely to attract a run of votes. I can understand revealing in your position, but to go ahead and cast your vote like that? Not a good plan at all. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-30-2010, 11:40 PM	#12
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	My bet is she's not bluffing. But...guys...listen. It doesn't make sense that if Tum is the Seer that she is the false one, because Boromir seemed to be false, didn't he? He seemed to be pointing to Eonwe being a wolf, and Eonwe was our only completely innocent chap around. x-posted with Sally. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-30-2010, 11:41 PM	#13
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Tum, are you Hestia or Apollo? My apologies if you said and I missed it. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-30-2010, 11:47 PM	#15
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Note: If Tum does end up being the Seer, I will pat myself on the back and say, "See, told you I wasn't happy with her as a candidate!" Problem is, at the same time I am not overly happy about testing her powers on Rikae, as I've been operating under the impression that Rikae was, well, something else (not Ares). I mean- you have hinted at your role, haven't you Rikae? Very quiet like? Things that only obessive WW junkies would catch? Or have you been hood-winking me? Nog- you're totally off yet again. It frankly ticks me off that you're not going to get lynched. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-30-2010, 11:44 PM	#18
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	False reveals are bad taste? headdesk Autume, I wanted to like you, really. Folwren, you seem to forget that Boro was pointing even more blatantly to Phantom being Zeus, and we still don't know anything about that; not to mention the wolves would probably not have killed him in the first place if he wasn't right about something.

07-30-2010, 11:51 PM	#22
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	We have, what, nine minutes? Dang. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-30-2010, 11:37 PM	#25
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	You just lost the game, Sally. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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