WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Not sure what you're seeing, but rest assured that there are no false reveals intended. In fact, there are no reveals intended at all anytime soon, so I'm really kind of puzzled here. Not that there would be anything to reveal anyway. Dare to be plainer?

All the talk of checking people and finding out about people, of course. You don't expect me to believe your over-the-top excessive seer hints weren't intentional at all, do you?

And while I'm accusing people, I'd like to mention - what is all this balderdash from various quarters about an autume lynch being a repeat of the last two lynches? At this point we have much more to go on, and as far as I'm concerned, a Tum lynch would be the only one of the three that has much logic behind it at all. Just because you see players as somehow similar doesn't mean their roles or the cases for their guilt are also identical. It's a really flimsy defense, and if Tum does turn out to be evil, I will be very wary of those who used it.

EDIT: X'd with Nienna

[the phantom]

On my way out the door. I'll be back for the final 2-3 hours.

[Macalaure]

I meant that I was going to analyse them.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And while I'm accusing people, I'd like to mention - what is all this balderdash from various quarters about an autume lynch being a repeat of the last two lynches? At this point we have much more to go on, and as far as I'm concerned, a Tum lynch would be the only one of the three that has much logic behind it at all. Just because you see players as somehow similar doesn't mean their roles or the cases for their guilt are also identical. It's a really flimsy defense, and if Tum does turn out to be evil, I will be very wary of those who used it.

So where do you stand on wanting me to get lynched and why?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by autume98

So where do you stand on wanting me to get lynched and why?

Oooo I can answer that!

I want to lynch you. Why? Because I think you're evil.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Autume

So where do you stand on wanting me to get lynched and why?

Well, that's kind of a strange question, autume, but here goes: you've done a lot of things that look foolish for a wolf and even more so for an innocent; you have openly talked about wanting to make yourself look innocent and being glad of an innocent's death, you've given a general impression of following wherever you think the trend may be headed (your sudden "suspicion" of me seemed to be a direct response to Inzil's questioning of you - looked like a very blatant attempt to win him over) and Mac, Wilwa, and Lalaith, none of whom are on my "most innocent" list, have all made what I consider very illogical arguments against lynching you. Sally, who seems to know you pretty well, vouches for the fact that you're not actually as clueless as an innocent acting as you have would probably be. You also have been discussed enough to make your role a source of useful leads. Plus, you used chatspeak.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 as "would sacrifice myself to prevent them being lynched" and 10 as "will sacrifice myself to take them down", I'd put you at about a 6.5. In other words, not opposed to lynching you, but would prefer to lynch someone more suspicious, if such a person there be. There are other people on my radar right now, too.

[Rikae]

Maybe even a 7.

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

I've been thinking about sally's idea of flushing Hestia out. While originally I rejected it, after giving it some serious consideration I think it would be best to wait to do anything to that effect until if/when the village starts to flounder. As of now we're in decent shape, despite not having nabbed any furry ones yet. If things start getting desperate though, I'm all for it. Well, not necessarily all for it. As for it as one can be considering the circumstances.


Also, in a desperate attempt to not fall back asleep and have more weird dreams, I am going to go look at phantom

*stalks to Facebook*

...

Okay, now I'm going to go analyze his posts.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Plus, you used chatspeak.

I forgot to ask, what is chatspeak?

[Nienna]

*twiddles her thumbs*

Tum who are your suspects?

And chatspeak is like: lol, or instead of saying "are" or "you"... one says r u.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Nienna

*twiddles her thumbs*

Tum who are your suspects?

And chatspeak is like: lol, or instead of saying "are" or "you"... one says r u.

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks. I can't believe I did that! I try to go through my posts and make sure that they don't have any of that.

As for my suspects, I'll just give a list of people and my initial thoughts. They are in no particular order.

Wilwa - I haven't heard a lot from her. What she has posted hasn't made me suspicious of her.
Kath - I've never played with her before, and I haven't heard enough from her to get a feel for her.
Mira - I don't like her vote on Day 1 and her no vote yesterDay. I find it suspicious. I would like to hear more from her.
Zil - He seems a little off to me.
Lottie - I feel like she's an innocent.
Nienna - I haven't gotten a feel for you yet. I haven't seen anything to raise flags though.
Sally - I'm wondering if she's going after me because I'm an easy target. Interesting enough I'm not sure how I feel about her this game.
Nerwen - I'm leaning towards innocent. It seems that she genuinely wants to help us catch the wolves.
Foley - I've never played with him before, and there hasn't been a lot of posts. So I haven't been able to get a read on him.
Lalaith - I've gotten good vibes from her.
Greenie - I haven't played with Greenie before. So far I feel good with Greenie.
Rikae - I'm a little suspicious of her. She's been giving me some wolf vibes. First night she votes Phantom. And last night she voted for herself. I'm not sure this isn't a wolf throwing away a vote.
Shasta - I haven't heard that much from Shasta. I haven't gotten any suspicions on him at this time.
Mac - The more and more he's posted the more innocent he looks. I'm still holding him in reservation for later on, and I am keeping a close eye on him.
Nog - I'm not sure where he's coming from. He's definitely looking more and more suspicious. However he's not here to defend what he wrote this morning.
phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

All in all if I had to vote right now it would either be for Rikae or Sally.

Edit: x-ed with a few

[Macalaure]

Nogrod -> Loslote
Greenie -> Nogrod
Lalaith -> Loslote

Personally, I feel pretty good about Nogrod right now. I've never seen a wolf throw a hissy fit unless they're about to die. While Nog has a few people suspecting him, there's no bandwaggon yet and Autume is likely to join him and Lottie.

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by autume98

Ok. That makes sense. Thanks. I can't believe I did that! I try to go through my posts and make sure that they don't have any of that.

As for my suspects, I'll just give a list of people and my initial thoughts. They are in no particular order.

Wilwa - I haven't heard a lot from her. What she has posted hasn't made me suspicious of her.
Kath - I've never played with her before, and I haven't heard enough from her to get a feel for her.
Mira - I don't like her vote on Day 1 and her no vote yesterDay. I find it suspicious. I would like to hear more from her.
Zil - He seems a little off to me.
Lottie - I feel like she's an innocent.
Nienna - I haven't gotten a feel for you yet. I haven't seen anything to raise flags though.
Sally - I'm wondering if she's going after me because I'm an easy target. Interesting enough I'm not sure how I feel about her this game.
Nerwen - I'm leaning towards innocent. It seems that she genuinely wants to help us catch the wolves.
Foley - I've never played with him before, and there hasn't been a lot of posts. So I haven't been able to get a read on him.
Lalaith - I've gotten good vibes from her.
Greenie - I haven't played with Greenie before. So far I feel good with Greenie.
Rikae - I'm a little suspicious of her. She's been giving me some wolf vibes. First night she votes Phantom. And last night she voted for herself. I'm not sure this isn't a wolf throwing away a vote.
Shasta - I haven't heard that much from Shasta. I haven't gotten any suspicions on him at this time.
Mac - The more and more he's posted the more innocent he looks. I'm still holding him in reservation for later on, and I am keeping a close eye on him.
Nog - I'm not sure where he's coming from. He's definitely looking more and more suspicious. However he's not here to defend what he wrote this morning.
phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

All in all if I had to vote right now it would either be for Rikae or Sally.

Edit: x-ed with a few

Thank you for trying, Tum... Your top suspects are my one most trusted and another who I think is seeming rather innocentish... This doesn't put you any higher in my graces, I fear.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here's another note I thought of. Rikae, why did you bring up what you did about Mac earlier? People (possibly even you) have chided others for doing the same - it doesn't seem like an innocent thing to do. The way you brought attention immediately to it seems off to me.

[Nerwen]

Well, Nogrod has now come back to explain himself... only he kind of hasn't.

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Could somebody please try to explain that statement of Nogrod's that I highlighted about innocents earlier today? It's been niggling me all day and I simply can't think of a reason why he said it that isn't really, really dodgy.

He didn't mean "everyone voted for was innocent" but "everyone who was the subject of a major bandwagon was innocent". (That bit he did explain). Still not a great argument, as it rests entirely on everyone else taking his word that he's innocent.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

A variant on Sally's Hestia-plan that might work better and be less wasteful of innocent lives.....we could wait until either Seer actually dreams of something that confirms that they are true or false, and they could then tell us. If it is Hestia, s/he would be able to confirm if the other Seer is true or false, without naming them. If the other Seer, Hestia would then know if s/he were true or false. Then the protection racket with the Ranger/Hunter-Guardian could kick in...does that sound better?

Yes, that sounds more viable.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume (Not sure what the stuff around her is about, but I'll trust people that there's something. I'll see for myself eventually.)

An odd statement. I've said why her suspicious behaviour could be that of an innocent newbie... but you haven't noticed it at all in the first place? Really?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Foley: I'll have to find the post again, but at some point she tells us not to lynch phantom because she thinks he's possibly a good gifted. I don't see why a goodie would do that, unless Phantom was under extreme pressure to be lynched (which he wasn't at the time).

I don't know what post this is– but pointing possible giftedness doesn't mean so much in this particular game, does it?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie: She makes no sense, like at all. Maybe Tum's lover?

Then they need to seek couple counselling ASAP. ...Seriously, where does that come from?

Originally Posted by Rikae

I just asked the wereduckling who we should lynch, and she said "lynch Papa."

Now, you can't get a better argument than that.

Well, that settles it, then. ÷÷Mac!

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Nogrod]

Hey Obie-phantom, shouldn't you cool your fan-girls a littlle bit?

Originally Posted by autume98

phantom - I'm sooo excited to be playing with him! So far he's only been giving off good vibes and I'm not suspcious with him at all.

Anyway, if that's the level of arguments used let's just call it a day - like I will call it anyway a Day pretty soon.

Heh, no need for your fancy set-ups tp - or any nice triple-bluffs anyone... it's up to how cool you are being perceived as... like politics in the real world!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

What to make of this? Generally I'd think an experienced wolf would try to answer the points against him– I think they're rather good points, actually– properly, rather than just yelling, "Nyaaah! Wolf yerself! I hate you!" Which I believe largely sums up that post. (#666).

Or is this a tired, cornered Nogwolf giving way to frustration, and hoping he can somehow bluster his way out of trouble? An experienced innocent, you'd think, would try to answer those points too.

Mmmn. It's not easy for me to be objective about him after three Days of this...

Heh... you're quite right in a few points, like experienced, tired and frustrated... and having too little time for these few Days now.

But if you are really able to say that there are some good points, I'd really love to see them. I mean actual points other than annoyed retaliations or Lottie's "I don't like him" (and for the second time, despite your denial, you Lottie said that! word by word). I mean which are the points?

- Your innocence Nerwen? Should I take your word for it - would you take mine? Be what it may, it's something you only know and can't share (and even if I don't push for it right now doesn't mean I have forgotten it totally).
- Eonwë's role was not known by anyone before yesterDay.
- Lottie's "dislike" is no argument.
- Boro may be the false seer (I trusted the other way) but you didn't "know" it any earlier I did - and none of us actuallly know it, even now.
- Being over the top and playing it openly not considering one's own safety is not wolwery - kind of vice versa, but I might be fooling you to be sure.
- You don't know if you'd wish me dead. Happily.

So where are your actual points?

I'd really love to know them. Especially when you like to fly the flag of one who has made points and has not been given answers...

Originally Posted by Mac

I would like to nominate this game's Nogrod-Nerwen fight for the WW Hall of Fame.

I'd consider staying up late just to watch it.

If you had the chance... I'll be off in a minute (6.00AM right now) so sorry to deny you of your fun...

Anything to say now?



As a summmary...

Well I get a bad feeling from Lottie and her voting history is possibly very bad (instead of bad that fits everyone's votes!). And I just get the bad feeling from her. Sorry, no logic on top of what I have said (which is nbot little), but just a malicious feeling on top of all (read the thread to learn about other points))

I'm really at odds with Sally's masterplan (she must be a non-thinking ordo or then a wolf who has been told to suggest that to look like one).

I'm very concerned about the phantom and Rikae... and to a bit llesser extent, of Mac.

You three (four) - add Nerwen - I could really eat my hat if two of you were not wolves. Or maybe it's just one of you... if none of you is a wolf, then what could I do? Maybe eat that infamous 72oz. steak in Texas in an hour... (I could never make it) I mean 16 oz- was like real heroism for me in Amarillo.

Add to that...

Greenie threw away her vote a bit too conveniently. Actually I think she's a wolf being first such a nice towards me ("to my own amazement I'm not suspecting Nog!") and striking immediately when she thought I was away... I could bet on that. A lot.

Who of you would stand up for her if someone made a case?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And while I'm accusing people, I'd like to mention - what is all this balderdash from various quarters about an autume lynch being a repeat of the last two lynches? At this point we have much more to go on, and as far as I'm concerned, a Tum lynch would be the only one of the three that has much logic behind it at all. Just because you see players as somehow similar doesn't mean their roles or the cases for their guilt are also identical. It's a really flimsy defense, and if Tum does turn out to be evil, I will be very wary of those who used it.

THIS.

Also, I'm back, but spending time with my auntie.

[Lalaith]

Callous? I definitely did not mean to act that way. I'm not sure what you mean, in fact, and it would be great if you would specifiy what exactly in my behavior was callous. If I appeared that way, I do sincerely apologise.

Sorry I actually meant Nienna, when you called her "an easy victim."

Anyway bedtime and thus voting time. It crossed my mind - is there a chance Nogrod and Tum could be wolves together? I haven't got time to go back through the whole thread to check now. And I still have reservations about voting for either of them which I have already voiced.
That leaves me with Loslote as the only one I have any kind of case against. I do see there is an apparent illogicality of suspecting Nogrod and then voting for the same person as he does - but what I do think either Nogrod OR Loslote is most likely a wolf.
++ Loslote

Hmmm...If we don't get a wolf today, and if I am spared, I think I might change tack toMorrow and start shooting randomly at submarines.

[satansaloser2005]

Lal, dear, you need to put the two plusses in front (or Glirdan might eat you). Just sayin'.