WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

A variant on Sally's Hestia-plan that might work better and be less wasteful of innocent lives.....we could wait until either Seer actually dreams of something that confirms that they are true or false, and they could then tell us. If it is Hestia, s/he would be able to confirm if the other Seer is true or false, without naming them. If the other Seer, Hestia would then know if s/he were true or false. Then the protection racket with the Ranger/Hunter-Guardian could kick in...does that sound better?

The Hestia matter is a vexing one. I can see the attraction of Sally's plan, but others have noted some variables that cause problems.
Lalaith's idea does sound better, but carries the risk of both Seers being vulnerable to wolves until one of them gets a dream they can confirm is valid.

In other news, I thought it strange how tum was seemingly so fixated on Nog the first Day. Since he started getting suspected (and I commented on her repeatedly "agreeing" with him), she's dropped that altogether and even voted for him last Night. It rather reminds me of the way she said Mac was the most suspicious and then dropped that, only in reverse.

[Macalaure]

I'm getting uneasy about Wilwa, but I can't put my finger on why. I need to take a closer look at what she said when I get to it. Same with Inzil. And Nienna.

Seems like Sally's plan won't make the cut. Phew.
Also, I doubt a wolf (other than a very bold one) would bring forth such a plan, so Sally is most likely innocent or a non-furry lover.

Originally Posted by phantom

Now that we're three days into the game I imagine I'll normalize a bit (as far as suspecting people)

*is waiting for that to happen*

Not sure what to think about all that stuff around Autume. Have to make up my mind again. I just hope I won't have to go "who wants to vote for someone else than this poor kid?" three Days in a row...

So, yeah, I've got some work cut out for me, I guess.

[the phantom]

Reading and thinking...

Kath and Nienna are lying low (not neccessarily intentionally, but they are). I'd say there's a pelt between the two of them, due largely to the fact that I'm not seeing fur in many other places.

Inzil and Sally have not been as quiet as far as posting goes, but they've made about the same level of impression on me (before just recently). I'm not a fan of Sally's plan, and wonder if she simply wanted to know where the Seer was and wanted the Rangers to be occupied protecting the Seer so that she'd be free to kill who she wished at night. Possible Wolf there.

Nog has been different because he's both busy and fabricating. Most likely furry.

Lalaith is... Lalaith. Someone said earlier she's either innocent or a very smooth WW. Well- yeah. I've been a WW with her before. She's very smooth. I wouldn't try her first, but at the end as a desperate shot, I'd try her.

Of those that I did not name, it's probable there's a Wolf there, very possibly two, but either I don't suspect them at all or I have a reason to believe they may have a particular role and thus I don't feel comfortable putting them up for lynching at this time.

(edit: Oh, be quiet Mac, I'm busy with other stuff at the same time here. You are so needy.)

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Reading and thinking...

Kath and Nienna are lying low (not neccessarily intentionally, but they are). I'd say there's a pelt between the two of them, due largely to the fact that I'm not seeing fur in many other places.

Phantom, your logic fails me. You think that Kath or I is a wolf just because you can't see fur elsewhere? That's lovely.

[the phantom]

Someone's got to be a WW, Nienna. If it's not you, then you'll have to give me a chance to get more comfortable with you before I'm going to start feeling that (talk more, argue, etc). Come on now- you know how the whole submarine thing works. If I'm not mistaking it was after WW III that I swore that if I could help it I was not going to ever again lose a game due to allowing WWs to slip by via being extra quiet. If I'm going to be beaten I prefer it to be out loud and straight up. In other words, not the Frodo method.

[A Little Green]

I want to go to sleep, but I also want to vote reasonably. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to fit those two together as I'm really really clueless right now. Could someone please do something blatantly wolvish? Like, now?

[Nienna]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Someone's got to be a WW, Nienna. If it's not you, then you'll have to give me a chance to get more comfortable with you before I'm going to start feeling that (talk more, argue, etc). Come on now- you know how the whole submarine thing works. If I'm not mistaking it was after WW III that I swore that if I could help it I was not going to ever again lose a game due to allowing WWs to slip by via being extra quiet. If I'm going to be beaten I prefer it to be out loud and straight up. In other words, not the Frodo method.

I understand that submarines are bad. I apologize for being one thus far. I have time now and so here I am talking. I'm sure arguing will come up as well.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm not a fan of Sally's plan, and wonder if she simply wanted to know where the Seer was and wanted the Rangers to be occupied protecting the Seer so that she'd be free to kill who she wished at night. Possible Wolf there.

I wonder whether Sallywolf would have been so bold, though. She had to have known it probably wouldn't be that warmly received, and subjected to some scrutiny.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Nog has been different because he's both busy and fabricating. Most likely furry.

I'm quite all right with lynching Nog toDay. Or Tum. Still.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Lalaith is... Lalaith. Someone said earlier she's either innocent or a very smooth WW. Well- yeah. I've been a WW with her before. She's very smooth. I wouldn't try her first, but at the end as a desperate shot, I'd try her.

I know she can be a highly effective wolf who doesn't tend to attract suspicion, but I'm not getting much in the way of furry vibes from her at the moment.

x/d with Greenie and Nienna

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Inzil

I'm quite all right with lynching Nog toDay. Or Tum. Still.

I might consider Nog after all, though he's absent which makes me feel kind of bad about it. And I'm not all that convinced about his furriness - he has certainly done stuff that points to that direction, but he has also done stuff that points to the exact opposite. So I don't know.

As for autume - I still think the numerous wolvish parts of her behaviour might be due to some misunderstanding concerning the nature of the game. She has made it clear, many times in different situations, that her main goal is to not look wolvish (as opposed to finding wolves). I can sort of understand that, I remember subconsciously thinking that way myself as a new player (which might be partly due to the fact that I played my two first games as a wolf and the habit kind of stuck, though). Now I don't know autume's WW history at all, I've never played with her, so I can't compare the two cases. But the thing is, I'm not convinced a furry autume would be so open about this. But then again, all the inconsistencies in her behaviour (like, about Mac and Nog for example, I think Inzil has covered these pretty effectively) would point more to the furry side... Heck if I know, now I just caused myself a headache. Clearly I shouldn't get that understanding about her motives, because if I only apply cold logic I'm leaning towards thinking she's a wolf. But I also have this nagging feeling that she'll be toDay's easy bandwagon everyone can jump on without racking their brains too much.


EDIT: x-ed with Wilwa and Shasta (to the latter: *hug*)

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Clearly I shouldn't get that understanding about her motives, because if I only apply cold logic I'm leaning towards thinking she's a wolf. But I also have this nagging feeling that she'll be toDay's easy bandwagon everyone can jump on without racking their brains too much.

This very clearly sums up how I feel about her. I get why she looks so bad, but it could so easily become a repeat of BG and Eonwe.

Originally Posted by Inzil

I wonder whether Sallywolf would have been so bold, though. She had to have known it probably wouldn't be that warmly received, and subjected to some scrutiny.

Even though you could potentially say that she knew we'd react that way and said it all to make herself look innocent, I do agree, I think it makes her look rather good.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Could someone please do something blatantly wolvish? Like, now?

*growls like the Wereduckling*

[Macalaure]

A list to sort my thoughts before I go analyzin'.

Pretty confident is innocent
Greenie (While my wolf-spotting is shaky, my innocent-spotting is usually good, which is why I really don't like to only have one person in here.)

Probably innocent, but there's that nagging feeling
Lalaith (As phantom said, smooth. I remember Lalaith-wolf to be more nervous. Really not worried at the moment.)
Rikae (The mistress of the nagging feeling.)
Nog (He's wrong with such persistence that I doubt he's evil. As a wolf, once you realize that your approach is irritating everyone, you alter your ways.)
phantom (My problem is, that I've never played against a phantom wolf. I don't see anything suspicious, but I'm not sure what to look for.)
Sally (Seer plan too risky for a wolf. Possible lover, though.)

Not really sure where to put
Loslote (While I must've missed what tp saw yesterDay, her defense did look innocent.)
Nerwen (I don't see anything suspicious, but every time I put Nerwen higher than this, I regret it.)
Autume (Not sure what the stuff around her is about, but I'll trust people that there's something. I'll see for myself eventually.)

Varying degrees of submarinity
Kath (Really quiet. Can't tell anything.)
Mira (Really quiet. Can't tell anything.)
Nienna (Picking up some pace at last. Will be interesting to see.)
Folwren (Innocent-looking, but there's so to go at that she could easily be a quiet wolf.)
Shasta (He could go in the category above, too. Really uncertain here.)

Uneasiness that has to be checked out
Wilwa (Can't tell what it is, but I'll find out.)
Inzil (same)

I was hoping that I forgot a suspicious one somewhere. This list contains too many question marks for Day3.

[satansaloser2005]

My top suspects are as follows....


Nog: He's been too twitchy and weird (without quoting any posts because there's so many to choose from) and generally not innocent Nog-ish.

Tum: Her "innocent lynches are bad, but I like them" attitude, among other things, makes me think she's a floundering wolf cub or possibly an evil lover. (Actually I really like that theory. I hope to look at it more closely after dinner.)

Foley: I'll have to find the post again, but at some point she tells us not to lynch phantom because she thinks he's possibly a good gifted. I don't see why a goodie would do that, unless Phantom was under extreme pressure to be lynched (which he wasn't at the time). Other than that standing out, though, I'm unsure of her, so I'll try to look at her later tonight as well.

Lottie: She makes no sense, like at all. Maybe Tum's lover? *twitches* I should not have these kind of thoughts as I'm leaving. It's just not fair. *harrumphs*


Leaving for said dinner now, so I'll be back when I can and will try to post more.

[Rikae]

Ok, now Mac is making me uneasy. All that stuff in the post he just made, plus similar stuff in an earlier post toDay (if anyone doesn't know what I mean, just read his post again) can't possibly be well intentioned or sincere. If what it suggests were true, there wouldn't be a good reason for him to do it; it seems instead like an attempt to tie up the rangers or prepare for a false reveal. Very, very fishy.

EDIT: X'd with everyone since Mac.